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[ericm979]

Tym said they bought out Branson.

They bought Branson's parent company Kukje. Kukje is still making and selling Branson tractors with Cummins engines. Branson's parent company makes A series engines for Cummins under a 2002 partnership agreement. Tym may have bought Kukje for the the engines but they're probably not in Tyms yet. Since Branson's a bigger brand than Tym in the US it seems unlikely that Tym would kill the Branson line.

 

[jeff9366]

So I drove a tym 394 and a kioti 4010.

TYM394

ENGINE

Engine Manufacturer / Model Yanmar 3TNV88-CR
Type Natural Aspiration
HP-Gross 37.4 (27.5)
PTO HP (kw) 28.8 (21.5)
Rated Engine Speed 3000
Number of Cylinders 3
Displacement-cu.in (cc) 100.2 (1642)
Air Cleaner Dual Dry
Alternator 12V55A
Fuel System Type CRDI
POWERTRAIN

Transmission Type HST
Number of Speeds Infinite / 3 Range
Max Traveling Speed, mph (km/h) 16.8 (27)
Brakes Wet Disc
Steering Hydrostatic
Clutch N/A
HYDRAULIC SYSTEM

Pump Type Dual Gear Pump
Implement Pump Cap, gpm (L/min) 6.4 (24.4)
Steering Pump Cap, gpm (L/min) 4.6 (17.6)
Max Total Flow, gpm (L/min) 11 (42.0)
Category, 3 Point Hitch 1
Hitch Lift Capacity, lb (kg) 2646 (1200)
at 24 inches behind link ends, lb (kg) 1764 (800)
Lift Control Type Position
Joy Stick Valve Standard
No. of standard remote valves 1
PTO

PTO Type Independent
PTO Control Electric / Hydro
PTO Mid (rpm) - Optional 2000
PTO Rear (rpm) 540
PTO Shaft Diameter in. (mm) 1 3/8 (35)
CAPACITIES

Fuel Tank, U.S. gal. (L) 9.0 (34)
Cooling System, U.S. qt (L) 7.4 (7)
Crankcase (with filter) U.S. qt (L) 6.0 (5.7)
Trans & Hydr System, U.S. gal (L) 9.25 (35)
Front Axle qt (L) 8.7 (8.2)
DIMENSIONS

Overall Length, in (mm) with 3P 126 (3200)
Overall Width, in (mm) 53.5 (1360)
Wheelbase, in (mm) 66.1 (1680)
Height to Top of ROPS, in (mm) 94.4 (2400)
Min Ground Clearance, in (mm) 12.8 (325)
Min Turn Radius, in (mm) with Brakes 94.4 (2400)
Min Turn Radius, in (mm) w/o Brakes 116 (2950)
Total Weight, lb (kg) 3020 (1370)






KIOTI 4010

Production:
Manufacturer: Daedong

Engine Detail:
Daedong 3F183
diesel
3-cylinder
liquid-cooled inline
111.4 ci [1.8 L]
Bore/Stroke: 3.43x4.03 inches [87 x 102 mm]
Power (gross): 39.6 hp [29.5 kW]
Fuel system: common rail direct injection
Rated RPM: 2600
Torque: 87 lb-ft [118.0 Nm]
Torque RPM: 1800

Capacity:
Fuel: 9 gal [34.1 L]

3-Point Hitch:
Rear Type: I
Control: position control
Rear lift (at 24"/610mm): 1361 lbs [617 kg]

Power Take-off (PTO):
Rear PTO: live
Clutch: dry disc
Rear RPM: 540 (1.375)
Mid PTO: optional
Mid RPM: 2000

Dimensions & Tires:
Wheelbase: 65.7 inches [166 cm]
Weight: 2679 to 3307 pounds
Front tire: 7-16
Rear tire: 11.2-24
full dimensions and tires ...

Kioti CK4010 attachments:
front-end loader
backhoe


Kioti CK4010 Power:
Engine (gross): 39.6 hp [29.5 kW]
Gear PTO (claimed): 34.9 hp [26.0 kW]
Hydro PTO (claimed): 33.3 hp [24.8 kW]

Mechanical:
Chassis: 4x4 MFWD 4WD
Differential lock: mechanical rear
Steering: power
Brakes: wet disc
Cab: Two-post folding ROPS. Cab with air-conditioning optional (CK4010SE HC model).

Hydraulics:
Type: open center
Valves: 2*
Total flow: 11.7 gpm [44.3 lpm]


Page information:
Last update: February 18, 2017
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[ovrszd]

Not pointing at the OP. Just a general perception of TBN members thinking. Hypothetical situation......

A used "xyz" brand tractor like I want is $16,000. I can buy a new one just like it for $20,000. Why would I spend $16,000 on a used one when I can get a new one for $20,000???

Answer: Because you are spending 80% of the money required to buy new!!!! Saving 20% for a tractor with low hours!!! No brainer to me.

I think it generally comes down to financing availability. Manufacturers know that. Thus they offer "0% financing". They make their money on the inflated new price. Pretty good game they are playing!!!!

Back on track. Be aware of engine HP versus PTO HP. Some tractors have a huge spread between the two. Especially HST tractors. My Brother had an L3240 Kubota HST. All it did was aggravate me when trying to run a 6' cutter on hilly terrain.

I'm with Gary on the R1s. I use the snot out of my tractors in timber terrain. I ruined a front R1 on my Kubota recently. I can't say if I'd had R4s that they would have survived any better. Traction is no comparison. My previous tractor had R4s. Worthless in timber when wet/muddy.

Good luck with your choices and keep us posted!!!

 

[MH8675309]

50+ HP and a utility instead of a compact. Longer wheel base and wider width are nice when moving heavy loads. I used the farmowners 45hp New Holland compact at a sale I did in April and it was so much shorter and skinnier. It seemed way more inclined to tip with a load on. Just my 2 cents worth

 

[ovrszd]

Yep, if you can step up to a utility, no comparison!!

 

[hilltop Haven Farm]

Appreciate all the feedback. Yes I agree if I can find a low hour used utility 45+ that would be ideal. Patience is not a quality I possess so let's see what happens. Any leads on a tractor please post.

 

[Turbys_1700]

Here are some listings from Tractor House located in Pennsylvania that are under $20K. This represents the first two pages of seven pages of tractors under $20K in the utility class with an FEL. You have options.

TractorHouse.com | 2015 KUBOTA M6060 For Sale

TractorHouse.com | JOHN DEERE 4710 For Sale

TractorHouse.com | NEW HOLLAND TC40DA For Sale

TractorHouse.com | 2006 JOHN DEERE 4520 For Sale

TractorHouse.com | 2004 KUBOTA M6800 For Sale

 

[ovrszd]

And any one of those would be a good choice!!!

Decisions, decisions......

 

[NPurdy1112]

I recently purchased a NX4510 HST and have had no issues with it. No steep and hilly terrain here. I did get the tires filled because it was thrown into the package deal. Depending on your location I would call or email Larry Stovesand Equipment in TN. Communication was some of the best I have ever received.

 

[hilltop Haven Farm]

Some good tractors there at tractor house, but a few with high hours and I do need a hydro drive since others will be using it. If i go used it has to be worth it. Ck3510, 4010, or tym 394 hat with fell and filled tires all under 20k

 

[Turbys_1700]

I don't consider high hours an issue if I know the history. I've got an old 83 model 4610 SU with 2950 hours that uses very little to no oil and has very little to no blow by. I am the third owner and at 58 years old I doubt I will wear it out. Hope to give it to my son when I pass.

If you want a new tractor with warranty that is what I would get. I personally would prefer a heavier utility class used if in good working order and well maintained.

 

[fried1765]

I don't consider high hours an issue if I know the history. I've got an old 83 model 4610 SU with 2950 hours that uses very little to no oil and has very little to no blow by. I am the third owner and at 58 years old I doubt I will wear it out. Hope to give it to my son when I pass.

If you want a new tractor with warranty that is what I would get. I personally would prefer a heavier utility class used if in good working order and well maintained.

EXCELLENT ADVICE!!
With new,.... you get DPF/regen & electronics gizmos that only a dealer can fix.
In ten years, people will be reluctant to buy used tractors built with that stuff.

 

[Oleozz]

Worked on farms in Huntingdon Co. for quite a few years and a characteristic of many are those mountain goat hills. I would never consider R4 tires for that terrain. We have some real good Kioti dealers in central Pa. and also Mahindra. (Hoovers in Mifflinburg for Kioti and Hilly Ridge for Mahindra).
Check around for competitive pricing.

 

[ovrszd]

Some good tractors there at tractor house, but a few with high hours and I do need a hydro drive since others will be using it. If i go used it has to be worth it. Ck3510, 4010, or tym 394 hat with fell and filled tires all under 20k

Be very careful when comparing different brands/models. A very good source for specific information is TractorData.com - information on all makes and models of tractors Plug in the brand/model and you'll get most of the particulars in regards to HP, weight, tire size, etc. At a glance I'd say the "most" tractor listed above is the L6060. That's a LOT of tractor. Study the specs before you buy anything. Peruse the lots and educate yourself. The difference between a CUT and a Utility is night and day. Try to not get too stuck on the HST. You sacrifice a lot of power productivity when you do that. Especially in the larger CUTs. A Hydraulic Shuttle tractor is very, very easy to run.

 

[WVH1977]

I have many friends with 50 to 350 acre properties. Most of them have 2wd tractors to maintain roads and bush hogging. Some have 35 to 40 hp 4wd tractors. All of them have old tractors. They are too tight to buy something new. Most of them also have someone farming their place. They all seem to get by with no problems.

I just bought 16 acres that I am planning on building on. Currently, I have a TC40. It is and has been a great tractor and I plan on keeping it forever. However, when I do eventually buy a second tractor it will be in the 50 to 70 hp range. There are many times I wish I had more size and power. For your 45 acres that from what you have stated you plan on doing on it, I would be looking for as much tractor as your budget warrants. The only down size I see to a bigger utility type tractor would be if you plan on hauling it a lot. You will need a good sized trailer and heavy-duty truck to pull it. That would probably be the only reason I see for looking at a smaller tractor. I would also not be scared to look at other states for tractors for sale. I bought mine brand new in another state for thousands cheaper than my current location. I plan on doing the same thing with my next tractor if I find a good deal. I do not mind driving a long way for a good deal.

So, either way you go (smaller, bigger, used, new) just having a nice piece of equipment to help with your chores will be nice. If I were rich I would have a mini-ex, track loader, sub-compact and a utility tractor!!! Like everyone says on here all the time " there is no do it all, perfect tractor" for everything. Good luck with your search.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I have 20 steep acres, half in brush half forest. When upsizing tractors I ended up with a 37hp Branson 3725, another Korean make. The 20/25 series Bransons are available with three different R4 tire/wheel combinations. The middle size ones normally come on the 3725 but I got the smaller ones, with 2" spacers added to the rear. The smaller tires lower the center of gravity, making it more stable on slopes. The tradeoff is less ground clearance. I just take care when operating. It hasn't been a problem for me.

I liked the fit and finish of the Branson compared to the TYM built Mahindra- much closer to Kubota level. The Branson's built heavy- about 4000 lbs with loader and before loaded tires. It's got a tight turning radius which is important to me. The equivalent Kubota cost 8-10k more, that is a lot of implements.

Eric,

You're a too light in your weight estimate. The 3725CH weighs 4200 lbs (4195) as a bare tractor. Can't find the spec on the loader weight, but I believe it was ~1200 lbs? My 3725CH, with loader, bucket, and 6' box blade, with filled rear tires (R4's) weighs 7100 lbs. That's weighed on a CAT scale.

Branson Tractors - 3725CH

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Not pointing at the OP. Just a general perception of TBN members thinking. Hypothetical situation......

A used "xyz" brand tractor like I want is $16,000. I can buy a new one just like it for $20,000. Why would I spend $16,000 on a used one when I can get a new one for $20,000???

Answer: Because you are spending 80% of the money required to buy new!!!! Saving 20% for a tractor with low hours!!! No brainer to me.

I think it generally comes down to financing availability. Manufacturers know that. Thus they offer "0% financing". They make their money on the inflated new price. Pretty good game they are playing!!!!

Back on track. Be aware of engine HP versus PTO HP. Some tractors have a huge spread between the two. Especially HST tractors. My Brother had an L3240 Kubota HST. All it did was aggravate me when trying to run a 6' cutter on hilly terrain.

I'm with Gary on the R1s. I use the snot out of my tractors in timber terrain. I ruined a front R1 on my Kubota recently. I can't say if I'd had R4s that they would have survived any better. Traction is no comparison. My previous tractor had R4s. Worthless in timber when wet/muddy.

Good luck with your choices and keep us posted!!!

Well for me, I bought new because that "used $16K" tractor in your example is really going for $18.5K here. People are out of their minds on used tractor prices. You ask brand new tractor price for your used tractor? Fine, ask whatever you want, $1 million if you can get someone to pay it. But faced with unreasonable sellers, most of us will buy new every time.

When I can buy brand new, not have to worry about what some cowboy has tried to do with their tractor, or what kind of "Jethro Engineering" fix they have done, and get a full (and extended) warranty out the door? Yeah, I'll pay the extra 5% for new every time.

 

[ovrszd]

Well for me, I bought new because that "used $16K" tractor in your example is really going for $18.5K here. People are out of their minds on used tractor prices. You ask brand new tractor price for your used tractor? Fine, ask whatever you want, $1 million if you can get someone to pay it. But faced with unreasonable sellers, most of us will buy new every time.

When I can buy brand new, not have to worry about what some cowboy has tried to do with their tractor, or what kind of "Jethro Engineering" fix they have done, and get a full (and extended) warranty out the door? Yeah, I'll pay the extra 5% for new every time.

Wow, abused used tractors are selling for 95% of new price???

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Wow, abused used tractors are selling for 95% of new price???

I invite you to show me where I said that.

I said USED tractors are selling for 95% of new. And yes, here they are. Maybe not in every market. But here, used is almost the same price as brand new.

I also said that with a used tractor, you have no idea how it was treated, or maintained.

But by all means, feel free to hyperbole.

 

[ovrszd]

I invite you to show me where I said that.

I said USED tractors are selling for 95% of new. And yes, here they are. Maybe not in every market. But here, used is almost the same price as brand new.

I also said that with a used tractor, you have no idea how it was treated, or maintained.

But by all means, feel free to hyperbole.

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