Lincoln 7018 AC

   / Lincoln 7018 AC #21  
.... and was making a really nice weld, until the breaker tripped again... I have got to get an inverter.

I know you are struggling with only 30 amp service for your welder, but you may have some options

Questions
a) What size wire is feeding welder recepetacle?
b) Is anything else tied into this feed (e.g. lights or outlets)?
c) Do you ever use the welder receptacle to power some other 240 volt device? (e.g. aircompressor or plasma) when not welding?

Answer these questions and I will reply back
 
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#22  
I know you are struggling with only 30 amp service for your welder, but you may have some options

Questions
a) What size wire is feeding welder recepetacle?
b) Is anything else tied into this feed (e.g. lights or outlets)?
c) Do you ever use the welder receptacle to power some other 240 volt device? (e.g. aircompressor or plasma) when not welding?

Answer these questions and I will reply back
#1 the wire size, 20 feet from the pannel to where the heat pump that used to use it was, is whatever size the code calls for. From there to the shop (about 15 feet) is I think 10 gauge. From there to my welder is a 25 foot 4 gauge extension cord.
#2 & 3 the welder and air compressor are the only things on it. The air compressor only draws 16 amps though.
 
   / Lincoln 7018 AC #23  
I don't know anything about the Longevity welders. I was helping a guy on another site pick out a welder. He found a Longevity welder that is a 250-amp machine with adjustable hot start, and adjustable arc force. I'd like to get my hands on one of them. 120-volt power means nothing to me, all I have to do is install the forks on the tractor, pickup an SA-200 take it into the shop pick it up with the bridge crane, and back the truck under it. Then I'm portable. What I really need is to find a good deal on a forklift or buy a bigger tractor that can pick an SA-200 high enough to load on the flatbed truck.
 
   / Lincoln 7018 AC #24  
#1 the wire size, 20 feet from the pannel to where the heat pump that used to use it was, is whatever size the code calls for. From there to the shop (about 15 feet) is I think 10 gauge. From there to my welder is a 25 foot 4 gauge extension cord.
#2 & 3 the welder and air compressor are the only things on it. The air compressor only draws 16 amps though.

Okay

I will assume 10 gauge wire is correct as 10 gauge wire is rated for 30 amps continuous loads.

The good news is that NEC (National Electric Code) code allows welders with low duty cycles (like your Lincoln AC-225) to oversize the breaker on the undersized 10 gauge wire as the welder is not a continuous load device because your current welder only has a 20% percent duty cycle in any setting where it can even possibly draw more than 30 amps. If you look at the older Lincoln manuals it is perfectly okay to power an AC-225 up to 95 feet from the panel with 10 gauge wire and a 50 amp breaker.

THE BAD NEWS IS THAT AN OVERSIZED BREAKER ON UNDERSIZED WIRE IS THEN ONLY SUITABLE FOR USE ON A WELDER WITH A LOW DUTY CYCLE. IN OTHER WORDS IT CAN NOT BE USED TO POWER ANY OTHER DEVICE AND IT MUST CLEARLY BE MARKED AS SUCH. (Even another welder may not be okay - it would depend on amp draw and duty cycle of the new welder to verify the specs still fit within the permissible NEC formula).

So What does this all mean
A) For $10 you could easily pop either a 40 amp or better yet a 50 amp breaker into your breaker panel and fix the tripping breaker with your existing Lincoln AC-225 welder which would allow you to use it to its full WOT potential.
b) Unfortunately, then you could no longer operate your air compressor without risk of fire because if the compressor were to malfunction then the oversized breaker would not protect the undersized wire so you could no longer safely plug your compressor into the weld receptacle like you are doing now.
c) I am assuming powering the air compressor from an alternate location is not practical nor is running a new service line since you have not upgraded your shop service already. For improvised safety you could jerry rig a flexible adaptor pigtail that would temporaily plug into the welder receptacle and then run to a small disconect box that contained 20 amp breakers then run to a new receptacle for the compressor. The 20 amp breakers in the adaptor pigtail would protectect the house wiring from fire if the compressor ever mal-functioned. It would not cost much to make this adaptor pigtail ($30 or less ), but it would not technically be NEC compliant either and is in violation of NEC code. That said it would be better than powering of the welder receptacle alone with oversize breaker on undersize wire. Since it is flexible and not hard wired to the house it is easily removed if you sell the house.

If none of this makes sense to you then forget I ever wrote it as electricity kills if you are not very careful and fully understand what you are doing.
 
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   / Lincoln 7018 AC #25  
Was it mentioned before to dry 7018 rod at 70A on the welding table for a short period?
 
   / Lincoln 7018 AC #26  
One trick I learned for drying out wet rods is to just put them on top of my wood heater the night before I plan on using them. I left a whole box of 7018's next to the door of my shop, door wide open of course. Anyways, that night it came a huge rain storm, high winds and all. The next moring, my shop was flooded from blowing rain. The welding rods where so wet they looked puffed up and swelled. I took them inside and laid on the wood stove and they dried out perfectly. Wish I could say the same thing for the rest of the shop, note to self, "Self, pull the door down when you aint working in shop"! Welding and grinding dust makes a heck of a nasty, muddy mess when mixed with water.
 
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#27  
Well here is a picture of some of the beads I made today. 7018ac 1/8, 130 amps ac. The dull one second from the top is an old weld that was on the plate already.
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And just for the sake of it, here is a picture of the welder that did it all.
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   / Lincoln 7018 AC #28  
Looks like your travel speed is a little to slow. It's hard for anybody to make welds look good on a flat piece of plate, soon as you can start working on fillet welds.
 
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#29  
Looks like your travel speed is a little to slow. It's hard for anybody to make welds look good on a flat piece of plate, soon as you can start working on fillet welds.

Ok, I actually had to speed up quite a bit to get them this good, I guess I will try again moving faster. I think I will try doing a few fillet welds tonight.
 
   / Lincoln 7018 AC #30  
I thought I might wake up my 46-year old Lincoln, and my neighbors this morning:laughing:. So I played a little with some 7018.
 

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