Mowing linked pedal question

   / linked pedal question #31  
You know - I read thru this entire thread and its about time somebody says something - I guess its going to be me. It about time that PA hayseed sits down and reads his Op manual - cover to cover. Or rereads it. The Op manual will explain - in great detail - those things that are still a mystery.

Why would you want multiple opinions on a subject when the Op manual will give you the straight skinny.
 
   / linked pedal question #32  
You know - I read thru this entire thread and its about time somebody says something - I guess its going to be me. It about time that PA hayseed sits down and reads his Op manual - cover to cover. Or rereads it. The Op manual will explain - in great detail - those things that are still a mystery.

Why would you want multiple opinions on a subject when the Op manual will give you the straight skinny.

Hey Oosik, now don't spoil the fun for the rest of us! :eek: How else are we going to feel helpful if we can't give multiple opinions! :confused3:

In fairness to the OP, the Kioti manuals don't cover some of these issues. Example is the situation where both forward and reverse pedals are pressed at the same time. And for issues it does cover, the clarity is sometimes opaque. Part of that is in the translation, especially in explaining technical points.
 
   / linked pedal question #33  
OK - three point - I'll give you that some points are not covered. However - lets not fool the Op - sometimes the best intentions of an explanation, here on TBN, are a bit hazy like his manual. He had better read and learn to "interpret" what his manual says. It may also help interpret some of the explanations here on TBN - ha, ha, ha
 
   / linked pedal question
  • Thread Starter
#34  
You know - I read thru this entire thread and its about time somebody says something - I guess its going to be me. It about time that PA hayseed sits down and reads his Op manual - cover to cover. Or rereads it. The Op manual will explain - in great detail - those things that are still a mystery.

Why would you want multiple opinions on a subject when the Op manual will give you the straight skinny.

Well, I haven't responded yet, because I haven't field tested the tractor since it came back from repairs. CMV had the correct diagnosis of my issue, it was factory programming. My dealer had to call kioti, get parts and equipment, that took a month. Then after they got my tractor there they had problems and needed tech assistance to get the tractor to take the new program. Apparently more people are having this issue than me. This issue would not have been diagnosed by the "owners manual". Thanks for your input, and if you noticed, I have been on here on and off since 2007. This isn't my first Kioti, and there is a big difference between my last tractor and this one. A lot of the people I used to talk to on here aren't on here anymore.
 
   / linked pedal question #35  
Oosik....maybe if we had Grand L's instead of NX's, RTFM might help a lot? No idea, but would suspect for the same "gadgetry" on both, Kubota probably has much more detailed documentation. While I really like my Kioti and a positive opinion of the brand overall, their documentation is severely lacking. I suspect if I went to WalMart and bought a random toaster or blender I would have a much more thorough, comprehensive, and clear owner's manual :)

For tractor behavior issues that could be related to no-stall - this is ALL the manual has on it. If dealer didn't do a good job of initial walkthrough explaining each gadget, what it does, or when to/not to use it, kind of hard to figure out just with the manual. Looking through "troubleshooting" section of manual, there is not one "symptom" that calls for any of the "gadgetry" to be looked as a potential cause.

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That is the entirety of what the operator manual tells you about no-stall.

In addition to the standard controls you'd expect to find on any modern machine, on the NX you have a bank of rocker switches on the right side to enable various features. I think a Grand L does it through a dashboard menu interface, but both have roughly all the same "extra stuff". Cruise PTO, Cruise PTO +/-, Cruise Control, Linked Pedal, No-stall, Speed Limit, Calibration, Turning Speed, DPF Regen, Auto PTO, & HST response setting. And each of these has the same or worse description as the no-stall example pictured.

A great example is auto PTO - you raise the 3 pt high enough it automatically turns off the PTO. But the PTO knob is still engaged. So you raise the 3pt and sort of forget all about it while doing other things, then shut down the tractor when you're done. Try to start it next day and it seems "dead". So you cuss a little while fiddling with range selector, reapplying parking brake, readjusting your butt in the seat......then finally think to check PTO after a while. Machine is doing what it's supposed to, but nothing in manual tells you this in area that briefly describes auto PTO. Its about the last thing to check in troubleshooting for "engine hard to start". Just a little blurb in the auto PTO section reminding you to manually turn off PTO switch would prevent a lot of us from feeling like idiots because we forgot auto PTO turned it off for us last time we used machine.

The NX is a nice machine with a lot of nice features, but there are just very poor descriptions and instructions surrounding those features. Manual literally dedicates more space to detailing how to operate the heat & AC in a cab model than all the NX-specific "gadgetry" combined. Combine a dealer who may or may not do a real good walkthrough about each one of those features with a new owner excited to play with his new toy and not paying the best attention since 99% of it is stuff you already know (4wd, loader joystick, check the oil, clean the radiator screen, tire pressure, diff lock.....) and you're left with a lot of owners not fully understanding what all those extra buttons do or how to use the options appropriately.

Kioti really needs better documentation, better website, an official youtube presence.....something....
 
   / linked pedal question
  • Thread Starter
#36  
UPDATE - software updated

Since my tractor came back from the shop it runs better (HST pedal response). After doing some loader work, my hst pedals are much more responsive, and there is no delay anymore. It runs more like my mechanical HST pedals used to. With the field still being too wet, I have yet to put anything on the PTO to test out the "surging" but the dealer says everything is now calibrated for the update.

Thanks again CMV for the info on the software fix.
 
   / linked pedal question #37  
UPDATE - software updated

Since my tractor came back from the shop it runs better (HST pedal response). After doing some loader work, my hst pedals are much more responsive, and there is no delay anymore. It runs more like my mechanical HST pedals used to. With the field still being too wet, I have yet to put anything on the PTO to test out the "surging" but the dealer says everything is now calibrated for the update.

Thanks again CMV for the info on the software fix.

Just out of curiosity, when you first start your tractor and raise the 3pt or loader arms (in the first 5 mins or so, if it's cold out) are they real jerky? I only ask because I just got my tractor back from the shop, and was having the PTO/linked pedal issue like you were (which was nearly 100% solved by figuring out that "No Stall" isn't so good to have on when the PTO is engaged), but my overall problem is a bit more serious, looks like the hydro pump has a problem and will need to be replaced. Does your hydro oil look foamy at all after your run it? Just wondering if you might have the larger issue I do too.
 
   / linked pedal question
  • Thread Starter
#38  
Just out of curiosity, when you first start your tractor and raise the 3pt or loader arms (in the first 5 mins or so, if it's cold out) are they real jerky? I only ask because I just got my tractor back from the shop, and was having the PTO/linked pedal issue like you were (which was nearly 100% solved by figuring out that "No Stall" isn't so good to have on when the PTO is engaged), but my overall problem is a bit more serious, looks like the hydro pump has a problem and will need to be replaced. Does your hydro oil look foamy at all after your run it? Just wondering if you might have the larger issue I do too.

Sorry, my bucket raised smoothly. I normally start my tractor and let it run for a minute or two before I start moving the bucket. I have never seen my hydro foamy, but then again I don't normally look at it until it is time for a fluid change or things are running incorrectly and I am attempting to diagnose the issue.
 
   / linked pedal question #39  
Mine move fine, but I let it warm up a bit before doing anything. About a minute @ 1500 rpm. I think I read in manual to wait for temp gauge to start moving, but I don't sit there idling that long.....

I only check the fluid before starting for the day and has never been bubbly/foamy, but suspect it wouldn't be cold?
 

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