Living with Wolves

[Grumpy Old Man]

again the VANITY of owning any type of wolf hybrid is just irresponsible around any kids yours or not ! lets just hope we don't see you on the next series of When "pets" attack ! Your describing in your posts how these animals are still in the "pack "mindset so if that hasn't been bred out of them not much else has ! Keep playing with fire and sooner or later your going to get burnt when you least expect it !Lets hope it's not at the expense of your kids getting mauled !

 

[DABSGT]

again the VANITY of owning any type of wolf hybrid is just irresponsible around any kids yours or not ! lets just hope we don't see you on the next series of When "pets" attack ! Your describing in your posts how these animals are still in the "pack "mindset so if that hasn't been bred out of them not much else has ! Keep playing with fire and sooner or later your going to get burnt when you least expect it !Lets hope it's not at the expense of your kids getting mauled !

Grumpy,

I don't pretend to be a dog expert but I think IMHO that you are wrong on at least one of your points.

Any good dog trainer will tell you all dogs, which are descendants of the wolf, are "PACK" animals. This being the case the owner needs to be the pack leader or Alpha of the pack.

I have 8 years as a police K-9 handler and have seen some very aggressive dogs but when all said and done when the handler ended the exercise that same dog was just a house pet. My dog was 135 pound German Shepard who would think nothing of latching on to any one or take on a crowd, they was his job but he knew his place. I never had to worry when my young children, they were born after he was working and in my home, would use him for a pillow or trampoline.

He knew I was pack leader and it was a mutual respect. Any responsible pet owner who has spent time with a pack animal will be able to read there animal and remove the problem.

Sounds like shadow knew her place in the home.

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[woodlandfarms]

I am going to disagree with Grumpy as well on this. I don't sense that Randy owns "wolves" for the the Vanity, he owns them because their disposition suits him and his family. I don't deny that there is an issue with people owning dogs for vanity sake, but it is not my sense of Randy.

All dogs have a level of agressiveness. I can't tell you how many times my friends rat terrier has bit my friggin hand. As well, my buddies Pit Bull is the nicest dog on the planet. This has a lot to do with breeding, and probably an equal amount in training and pack management. What I am getting at is that all dogs need a good trainer, a good handler. By putting an 11th generation wolf that has been bred for civility in the same category as a wild wolf is just silly. If Randy owned a 1st gen, he would have to have some serious accreditation or a contact with some underground animal dealer. And honestly, having seen wolves in action, he would never allow them near adults, let alone kids unless heavily supervised. As well, all pet owners must take responsibily for their animals actions. When my boxer mixes come in contact with adults and kids who are new, they are on leash. I speak to each child, telling them how to to approach our dogs (they are big boxers). And I manage the situation. I also know my girls are sweet and would never bite a child, but I also know I can never take that chance and drop my guard. I really sense Randy is the same way.

I am really intrigued at hearing more about Randy's pets. His experience with them is a valuable education for all of us.

Carl

 

[Furu]

Nicely said!

 

[RandyBell]

Thanks guys I had always been fascinated with wolves but never dreamed of ever owning one! Before we ever got the first one Shadow we made a deal that if we had any problems with aggression it would have to go, but thankfully that problem has never come up. One big thing is that you have to be prepared for any animal, canines especial need to be around people, not chained out back, I have never had an animal that had to be chained up, nor do I want one! The Boy we have now is the closest I want to deal with, he plays with the grandchildren for awhile then he decides he has had his limit he will go to his cage to escape! He is opening up more now that Shadow has past, almost to the point of being a pain in the butt, but it is something to deal with till he gets over the loss. Like the nights when he feels lost and crawls in bed with us! He went from not paying attention to Tracey to now she complains he is always stuck up her butt, sometimes he won't go outside to the bathroom unless she goes out with him!
I feel that any animal you get especially large ones have to pick you, and the one you want doesn't necessarily want you, it make training and living with them easier!

 

[cqaigy2]

I've known some sled dogs i wouldn't let an unaware adult, much less a child around. Same with some farm animals and some humans might fall in that category as well. Seems like any situation, it's a good idea to know what your and the animals limitations are and act accordingly.

While i might not own a wolf, i find these post pretty interesting.

 

[RandyBell]

Guys the one that is going to prove interesting is Tracey brought home a baby mini lop eared rabbit tonight and is trying to teach Weasel, the Boy he is not to eat it!

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Do you live next door to Honey Boo Boo and her family ?

 

[RandyBell]

No I do not live near you, nor would I want to live near you! With your mouth and atitude I would need up going to jail. If you don't like what I'm doing quit having someone read it to you!

 

[DABSGT]

No I do not live near you, nor would I want to live near you! With your mouth and atitude I would need up going to jail. If you don't like what I'm doing quit having someone read it to you!

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[RandyBell]

Well so far so good he has just been sniffing butt and making sure the cats don't get rough with him!
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[RandyBell]

Shadow was always happy to meet new people and as such, she went to different functions with us. One of these was a yealy Hog Roast at a Harley group my cousin was part of, everyone loved her and she made a point of seeing everyone, it didn't hurt that she has getting handouts! She became an unofficial mascot and she loved the attention.
When Luckie passed we couldn't get Shadow to snap out of it, she wouldn't eat, didn't want to go outside and laid around grieving.

After 2 weeks we decided to attempt getting a second so she would have a companion. We lucked out and the people we had gotten Shadow from, had a litter that were for sale!
So we loaded Shadow up in the truck and made the trip to see the pups, Tracey wanted another female but we wanted one that would be good with Shadow.
They had a beautiful little reddish marked female that came from on of Shadows sister and a Great Plains wolf that tracey fell in love with, but she wouldn't give us or Shadow the time of day. We spent 4 hours there trying to covince her but she would just scramble away. The only one that wanted to play with Shadow and us was a little boy with brown and black markings from the same litter, so that was the choice we made and we took the two of them home, of course he had to baptise the truck!

 

[woodlandfarms]

Randy. Do you fix them? Not passing judgement but wondering how the handling characteristics change.

 

[RandyBell]

Randy. Do you fix them? Not passing judgement but wondering how the handling characteristics change.

Yes we did have them fixed, generally it calms an animal down. Just found with Shadow that the bigger animals need to go into heat before you do the females! It caused some problems with her urethra tube.

 

[RandyBell]

Shadow kept a tight reign on Weasel, he weaseled right in on everything so it just fit!

Sometimes I thought she was kinda hard on the boy, but I guess she knew what she was doing! He deserved most of it.

 

[cqaigy2]

Yes we did have them fixed, generally it calms an animal down. Just found with Shadow that the bigger animals need to go into heat before you do the females! It caused some problems with her urethra tube.

Same with dogs, not surprisingly. My Dad used to tell clients to let the ******* have at least one heat cycle. I think he said the hormones from going into heat helped prevent urinary problems.

 

[RandyBell]

cqaigy2
I agree it must be something in the hormones but it does tend to cause urinary problems!

 

[woodlandfarms]

One if my previous flames was a vet. She told me evidence was on the side of spaying before the first heat. As a kid we were taught to wait, but either vets have more concerns about overpopulation or as they claim the benefits are much better pre-heat.

 

[DABSGT]

Shadow kept a tight reign on Weasel, he weaseled right in on everything so it just fit!
Sometimes I thought she was kinda hard on the boy, but I guess she knew what she was doing! He deserved most of it.

Weasel is a good looking pup! Best of luck will be looking for lots of updates and pictures.

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[RandyBell]

One if my previous flames was a vet. She told me evidence was on the side of spaying before the first heat. As a kid we were taught to wait, but either vets have more concerns about overpopulation or as they claim the benefits are much better pre-heat.

I don't doubt it just Shadow was one of the ones that had problems with it, I hadn't seen it with the others!