Log Splitter and Backhoe Question

[JK10MF1635]

I have a MF1635 with the MF CB20 backhoe and the power beyond to run it. I am looking at 3pt log spliters and am wondering if I got one that didn't have the reservoir and PTO pump, and just runs off the tractor hydraulics could I just hook it into where my backhoe plugs into? Obviously if I'm going to use the spliter the backhoe will be off. I do not have any rear remotes so that is why I am wondering if this option will work. I don't see why it wouldn't but am not sure. I would think that would supply the hydraulics and then it would be operated by the control valve on the spliter.

What do you guys think?

Thanks

 

[Glen Watkins]

I think that is what the power beyond port is for. At least that is what I have been reading.

 

[Tractor Seabee]

Get the shop manual for your tractor and trace out the hydraulics (the operators manual won't have this info). On my Kubota the BH is one of the first connections in the system. When I disconnect the BH I have to connect the P and PB hoses together. The clue is whether the BH has three hoses or two. Unless it is the last unit on the PB system you have to maintain the PB circuit by using a log splitter valve that continues the PB (probably an option for the splitter). Takes then all three hoses. JJ is the TBN hydraulic expert and he clarified all this for me as well me as tracing out the circuit. He will probably weigh in soon.

Ron

 

[JK10MF1635]

Get the shop manual for your tractor and trace out the hydraulics (the operators manual won't have this info). On my Kubota the BH is one of the first connections in the system. When I disconnect the BH I have to connect the P and PB hoses together. The clue is whether the BH has three hoses or two. Unless it is the last unit on the PB system you have to maintain the PB circuit by using a log splitter valve that continues the PB (probably an option for the splitter). Takes then all three hoses. JJ is the TBN hydraulic expert and he clarified all this for me as well me as tracing out the circuit. He will probably weigh in soon.

Ron

Its been a while since I have looked at it to know exactly how it runs, but I do have 3 hoses. And when I take the BH off one of them gets hooked up to a return line so the fluid continues to circulate and the other two are just capped off, if I remember correctly. I have also read that some guys are disconnecting their FEL and using that as a hook up for the spliter. That is what got me thinking that I could use my power beyond. I will continue to look in the archives to see what I can find, and maybe give the MF dealer a call tomorrow.

Also I'm wondering what kind of power or tons of force I could expect with my tractor? Sounds like with my flow rate compared to some other post I have read that I may get full force out of a splitter. My specs are16.5 GPM total flow and 11.6 GPM at the remotes.

 

[inveresk]

I have a MF1635 with the MF CB20 backhoe and the power beyond to run it. I am looking at 3pt log spliters and am wondering if I got one that didn't have the reservoir and PTO pump, and just runs off the tractor hydraulics could I just hook it into where my backhoe plugs into? Obviously if I'm going to use the spliter the backhoe will be off. I do not have any rear remotes so that is why I am wondering if this option will work. I don't see why it wouldn't but am not sure. I would think that would supply the hydraulics and then it would be operated by the control valve on the spliter.

What do you guys think?

Thanks

That's similar to my set up. Kubota L3130 with BH90 backhoe. I bought a northern tool log splitter and it connects and works straight out of the box. No adaptation or alterations needed.

 

[MikeInEburg]

Also I'm wondering what kind of power or tons of force I could expect with my tractor? .

"Tons of force" is directly tied to cylinder size. Larger cylinder diameter=higher force but with slower cycle speeds. The trick is in finding the balance between power and speed. I think most commercial 3-point units use a 4" cylinder and yield 15+/- tons.
Mike

 

[955er]

If your flow is under 10gpm and you want to go 3pt, get a unit with a 3.5 inch cylinder. 4 inches will be too slow. Tonnage on logsplitters is way overrated. My 955 with a ramsplitter 3.5" probably is not getting any more than 12-13 tons and it splits everyting I throw at it. I would also get one that can split vertically as well as horizontally.

 

[Tractor Seabee]

That's similar to my set up. Kubota L3130 with BH90 backhoe. I bought a northern tool log splitter and it connects and works straight out of the box. No adaptation or alterations needed.

Does your 3PT hitch and FEL work when the splitter is connected? Does the splitter valve have the PB hose connection so you can hook up all three hoses same as the BH? On my BX 25 it is obvious in the diagrams that other hydraulic items will not get power unless the PB circuit is maintained.

Ron

 

[J_J]

I have a MF1635 with the MF CB20 backhoe and the power beyond to run it. I am looking at 3pt log spliters and am wondering if I got one that didn't have the reservoir and PTO pump, and just runs off the tractor hydraulics could I just hook it into where my backhoe plugs into? Obviously if I'm going to use the spliter the backhoe will be off. I do not have any rear remotes so that is why I am wondering if this option will work. I don't see why it wouldn't but am not sure. I would think that would supply the hydraulics and then it would be operated by the control valve on the spliter.

What do you guys think?

Thanks

You are correct in your thinking. You should have no problem using a log splitter on your tractor hyd.

If you have no attachments connected, there should be a jumper hose for the two QD's so there is a complete flow path to tank.

You would be putting the log splitter in series with the hyd flow.

If your tractor only has low GPM's. there is a log splitter valve by Prince the LSR-3060 that will take 4 GPM, and make it seem like 25 GPM, which will speed up the log splitter operation.

I just looked at your hyd flow, and it is about 11.6 GPM's. and that is good with the regular log splitter valve.

http://www.everythingattachments.com/Massey-Ferguson-1635-Attachments-Specs-s/4256.htm


4 in cyl, 2 in rod, 11.6 GPM's

Extend time 6.75 sec

Retract time 5.06 sec

Total cycle time = 11.81sec

I say go for it.

Push force at 3000= 37,698lbs = 18.84 T

Pull force at 3000 = 28,274 lbs = 14.137 T

PUSH--------2500 = 31,416 lbs = 15.7 T

Pull----------------= 23,562 lbs = 11.78 T

 

[J_J]

Its been a while since I have looked at it to know exactly how it runs, but I do have 3 hoses. And when I take the BH off one of them gets hooked up to a return line so the fluid continues to circulate and the other two are just capped off, if I remember correctly. I have also read that some guys are disconnecting their FEL and using that as a hook up for the spliter. That is what got me thinking that I could use my power beyond. I will continue to look in the archives to see what I can find, and maybe give the MF dealer a call tomorrow.

Also I'm wondering what kind of power or tons of force I could expect with my tractor? Sounds like with my flow rate compared to some other post I have read that I may get full force out of a splitter. My specs are16.5 GPM total flow and 11.6 GPM at the remotes.

You have three hoses at the rear. a pressure hose , call it AUX1, a hose from the 3pt , call it AUX2, and a tank hose from the BH.

If no attachment is connected, a short hose will connect AUX1 and AUX2 together to complete the flow path through the 3pt and to tank. This is normal flow with no attachments.

If using BH, AUX1 is connected to IN for the BH. AUX 2 from the 3pt is connected to the PB on the BH for the correct flow path. The AUX3 hose is for the BH cyl OUT fluid and goes to tank.

To use log splitter, Connect the AUX 1 to the IN on the log splitter, and connect the hose from the log splitter OUT to the AUX2, AUX3 hose is not normally used with the log splitter.

A potential problem exist using the OUT port on the log splitter valve for the flow path, as the manufacture has put about a 500 psi limit on the OUT port.

There is a way around this and that is to use the 3pt to position or set the log splitter working height, then lock the 3pt descend knob down to lock in place.

Now the OUT hose from the log splitter will go to tank with no possible back pressure, and AUX2 hose is not used. The 3pt is not in the circuit anymore. Log splitter will have normal operation.

 

[inveresk]

Does your 3PT hitch and FEL work when the splitter is connected? Does the splitter valve have the PB hose connection so you can hook up all three hoses same as the BH? On my BX 25 it is obvious in the diagrams that other hydraulic items will not get power unless the PB circuit is maintained.

Ron

Everything works when the splitter is mounted. There are two connections on the splitter and bh, not three. One hose from the tractor to the splitter provides flow, one hose from the splitter back to the tractor on the return circuit. The splitter is valved. I can post some shots if it would help.

 

[J_J]

inveresk,

Is your 3pt valve the last valve in the hyd path with the splitter installed.?

Is the OUT on the splitter going to the 3pt valve?

If using no attachments, do you couple the two rear hoses together?

So your BH does not have a PB port?

Please show pictures of the OUT port of the BH valve.

 

[JK10MF1635]

You are correct in your thinking. You should have no problem using a log splitter on your tractor hyd.

If you have no attachments connected, there should be a jumper hose for the two QD's so there is a complete flow path to tank.

You would be putting the log splitter in series with the hyd flow.

If your tractor only has low GPM's. there is a log splitter valve by Prince the LSR-3060 that will take 4 GPM, and make it seem like 25 GPM, which will speed up the log splitter operation.

I just looked at your hyd flow, and it is about 11.6 GPM's. and that is good with the regular log splitter valve.

Massey Ferguson 1635 Tractor - Attachments - Specs


4 in cyl, 2 in rod, 11.6 GPM's

Extend time 6.75 sec

Retract time 5.06 sec

Total cycle time = 11.81sec

I say go for it.

Push force at 3000= 37,698lbs = 18.84 T

Pull force at 3000 = 28,274 lbs = 14.137 T

PUSH--------2500 = 31,416 lbs = 15.7 T

Pull----------------= 23,562 lbs = 11.78 T

You have three hoses at the rear. a pressure hose , call it AUX1, a hose from the 3pt , call it AUX2, and a tank hose from the BH.

If no attachment is connected, a short hose will connect AUX1 and AUX2 together to complete the flow path through the 3pt and to tank. This is normal flow with no attachments.

If using BH, AUX1 is connected to IN for the BH. AUX 2 from the 3pt is connected to the PB on the BH for the correct flow path. The AUX3 hose is for the BH cyl OUT fluid and goes to tank.

To use log splitter, Connect the AUX 1 to the IN on the log splitter, and connect the hose from the log splitter OUT to the AUX2, AUX3 hose is not normally used with the log splitter.

A potential problem exist using the OUT port on the log splitter valve for the flow path, as the manufacture has put about a 500 psi limit on the OUT port.

There is a way around this and that is to use the 3pt to position or set the log splitter working height, then lock the 3pt descend knob down to lock in place.

Now the OUT hose from the log splitter will go to tank with no possible back pressure, and AUX2 hose is not used. The 3pt is not in the circuit anymore. Log splitter will have normal operation.

Thanks JJ! I did give my dealer a call yesterday and that is what he told me as well as far as how it should be hooked up.

Now I'm trying to decide what splitter to get. My MF dealer has Split-Fire 3.5" piston with 24" spread for $1300, or the New Holland Dealer has American Wood Splitter 4" piston 30" spread for $750 but its a vertical only splitter. The price is so good on that bc he has had it for quite a while and wants to get rid of it. If I ordered a new Horizontal one and only a 24" spread then its $934. Or Tractor Supply has one for $699 thats 4" X 24". I'm kind of leaning towards the CountyLine from TSC right now because of the price and the fact that I'm just using it for my own need of 5-8 cords of wood a year. I am thinking it will be just fine. IDK I guess I will go take a look at it today.

Anyone have any opinions on these three models?

 

[inveresk]

inveresk,

Is your 3pt valve the last valve in the hyd path with the splitter installed.?
I believe so but can't be sure.

Is the OUT on the splitter going to the 3pt valve?
I believe it bypasses the 3pt valve.

If using no attachments, do you couple the two rear hoses together?
Yes.

So your BH does not have a PB port?
No.

Please show pictures of the OUT port of the BH valve.

Here are those shots.

 

[J_J]

Here are those shots.

The first two answers conflict each other.

Let me ask it this way. Does the OUT fluid of the log splitter valve go to tank?

If so, you have no 3pt utilization.

Once you remove the log splitter and connect the two hoses together, then you have 3pt operation.

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[inveresk]

Three point hitch works fine with log splitter attached. It is not disabled. Once I disconnect the bh or log splitter, I reconnect the hoses to complete the loop. Hope this clarifies.

 

[WilliamBos]

I have a MF1635 with the MF CB20 backhoe and the power beyond to run it. I am looking at 3pt log spliters and am wondering if I got one that didn't have the reservoir and PTO pump, and just runs off the tractor hydraulics could I just hook it into where my backhoe plugs into? Obviously if I'm going to use the spliter the backhoe will be off. I do not have any rear remotes so that is why I am wondering if this option will work. I don't see why it wouldn't but am not sure. I would think that would supply the hydraulics and then it would be operated by the control valve on the spliter.

What do you guys think?

Thanks

We run a Wallenstwin WX 310 on the same tractor, but no BH. Just run the splitter off the rear remotes.