looking at a 09 superduty 6.4L powerstroke

[MikePA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Builder
Sales figures are more a measure of the company's ability to MARKET a product more successfully than the competition.

I don't see where I said "solely..." anywhere, MikePA.

Regardless, it's your opinion, based on zero facts, that 'Sales figures are more a measure of the company's ability to MARKET a product more successfully than the competition.'

 

[Builder]

Regardless, it's your opinion, based on zero facts, that 'Sales figures are more a measure of the company's ability to MARKET a product more successfully than the competition.'

"regardless"?
OK, that's what I thought. I was misquoted.

 

[Builder]

Really at this point, I doubt you can go wrong with any of them. Get what you like and works for you...and stop bashing what you didn't choose.

I think there's a distinct difference between "bashing", personal insults (saying someone has no friends-what does that have to do with the topic?) and just flat out lies. For example the statement that "GM trucks weigh 800lbs less than Fords because they have lighter frames" is just a flat out lie, born of ignorance. Instead, I researched it and found the TRUTH and posted my findings, pointing out the GM diesel weighs 300lbs less, the front suspension weighs less, without negative emotion, name calling, etc. I mean does anyone with 1/2 a brain really think one brand of pickups truck's frame weighs 800 lbs more than the other brand? I'd doubt the whole frame system on any of them weighs 800lbs total!

Another example: Most of the less educated truck enthusiasts here have no idea the GM Allison locks up in gears 2-6, but the Torqshift doesn't. Is informing the forum readers of that "bashing"? No, it's just a fact. What's wrong with informing others even if it makes one brand look inferior to the other?

How about the previous poster who thinks GM diesels are still made by Isuzu? Or that GM doesn't own the plants that make their Allison truck transmissions? Is it bashing to clear up the ignorance of that post so others may be better informed?

If I state the DMAX makes more low end torque than the Ford 6L or 6.4L is that a bash? No it's just a fact....GM has less GCWR than Ford is a fact, not a bash.

I say stop bashing, yes, but also stop confusing printed & published facts with "bashing".

 

[Diamondpilot]

I agree with that much HP, "who cares", but that's not my point. It's the way they direct the advertising that I don't like. It's like we are left in the dark about the real power of the truck. Why not list rear wheel HP at a certain RPM with the TC locked? does Ford actually believe they have "the most diesel horsepower" as their ads say, when in fact, on the rollers they make less rear wheel horsepower than the competition?

Let me make it simpler: Let's say you have 2 identical trucks with only a few minor differences. One has 400 flywheel HP and say 320 RWHP. The other has 397 flywheel HP and 340 RWHP. Wouldn't a smart person take the truck with more RWHP and leave the truck with the 400 flywheel HP to the braggers and kids on the internet?

BTW: My F-350 SRW 4x4 only had a 5,400lb front GAWR and a dana 50 front axle.



That's about what I spent on ball joints per year for ford. I agree with your buddy. I'd rather have the nice ride for the 95% of the time we use trucks over the road than the SFA for the 5% of the time I plow of off-road. If I was a pure off roader and I had to have a stock truck, then Ford would be a better choice.

You are 100% correct but HP is only 25% of the buying equation for me. 25% is interior layout and comfort, 25% is fit and finish, and 25% is capabilities. In my eyes when you do the math Ford was the clear winner for the past 10 years. This year for the first time GM may be the winner since they finally have a truck that can truly compete.

Thats the way the smart buyer does it....

Chris

 

[Ford850]

You are 100% correct but HP is only 25% of the buying equation for me. 25% is interior layout and comfort, 25% is fit and finish, and 25% is capabilities. In my eyes when you do the math Ford was the clear winner for the past 10 years. This year for the first time GM may be the winner since they finally have a truck that can truly compete.

Thats the way the smart buyer does it....

Chris

I agree, as most people buy a truck based on the whole package. They weigh all the pros and cons and make a purchase. They do not buy a truck based soley on a biased test they saw Chevy or Ford win, or on who sells the most. That might get their attention but then they buy the 'truck' not the one 'feature'.

 

[johnk]

The only reason I bought my FORD is because it offered the girlie tailgate step so my wife can empty out the bed. Just kidding. I bought my truck because I drove and owned quite a few and my Ford is what I wanted. My friends own newer Chevies and say they like my FORD better....Not bashing.... Just saying..

 

[Soundguy]

I know when my friends 'other' brand vans and trucks break down out of town.. it's my ford and trailer that rolls up the interstate in the middle of the night to go tote them home..

soundguy

 

[Egon]

Yes you're right, the Dana 50 fitted the 1999-2004 SRW F-250's

I believe My 96 2500 Dodge has Dana 60 axle on the front and a Dana 80 on the back. The back having the Dana 80 differential with Dana 70 axles and wheel bearings???

 

[JB4310]

I believe My 96 2500 Dodge has Dana 60 axle on the front and a Dana 80 on the back. The back having the Dana 80 differential with Dana 70 axles and wheel bearings???

Something like that, if yours is diesel. I remember my 95 2500 had a typical 3/4 ton rear axle on the front and a one ton in the rear, presumably for the ubber Cummins torque produced.

That's one thing I was disappointed about when buying my 07 Ram, no more Dana axles. Not sure who makes Dodge's axles now or how they compare, but Dana was a name you could trust.

We need more of a Dodge presence here.

JB.

 

[slowzuki]

Egon you must have the diesel? They had a heavier rear axle due to the torque of the Cummins.

They have AAM axles in them now like some chevs.