Comparison Looking at a few tractors....which one ?

[fried1765]

Explain this? Always looking to expand my slang vocabulary!!!! Thanks!!!!

Not really "slang"...
....but rather, a.... colloquialism.

 

[ovrszd]

I thought that saying would cross continents etc....

Basically....first in line, in forst posion ready to go, like a taxi or cab waiting area or rank, the taxi at the front...

Thought that was it but making sure. Thanks Greg!!!

 

[kenmac]

what ever you get. Make sure you can obtain parts easily. Having to ship parts to your area may be costly

 

[mikester]

Hi All,
International A 544
International 434 (will look at this soon)
Cheers

Internationals are notoriously hard to start, especially in cold weather.

Don't buy a loader tractor without down pressure on the loader.

 

[greggyy]

Internationals are notoriously hard to start, especially in cold weather.

Really ? all of them ?

It does sometimes get below freezing here in Celcius, but I wont be on the tractor then, it started straight away after waiting for the glow to work, but was 20c day.

At what point do diesels become hard to start, I would expect it to be harder on a day below zero celcius, say -5, but would not expect to be ultra hard, it is not same as minus 20 or 30 for multiple days, which Australia does not get at all.

Would it be fair to say all 60's and 70's tractors are harder to start ? ir is there some that of that era are much easier ? I can get a Ford 3000 series (a 3300 it is), similar money sans attachments.

 

[sd455dan]

Never heard of a 3300 based on a ford 3000-? have heard of 3400 ,3600


imo good tractors with a long lived fuel efficient torquey 3 cylinder diesel.

weakest link is the front axle if equipped with FEL

 

[greggyy]

Ads not always right.....looked at image and is 3600.....want near 2k more than the inter......can see all sorts of bodgey wiring.....not a huge prob with my electrical background......but it makes me wonder who has been looking after it and if servicing done.....


At the base.....would a 3600 be a better tractor or would these 2 be similar.

Remember I am not going to be using it all day every day.....maybe 30 mins here....an hr there.....brakes may be more imortant than pure pulling power too as i have some slope to most of the block.

 

[rScotty]

Ads not always right.....looked at image and is 3600.....want near 2k more than the inter......can see all sorts of bodgey wiring.....not a huge prob with my electrical background......but it makes me wonder who has been looking after it and if servicing done.....


At the base.....would a 3600 be a better tractor or would these 2 be similar.

Remember I am not going to be using it all day every day.....maybe 30 mins here....an hr there.....brakes may be more imortant than pure pulling power too as i have some slope to most of the block.

Given what you said about budget in the original post, the electrical could be a real advantage. With a low budget, you already know you are looking foran older machine and that probably has some sort of problem. What could be better than electrical problems for a guy with electrical knowledge? Electricals are exterior, easily fixed, inexpensive, and don't have much mechanical impact.

About IH and hard starting....that's a new one on me. As far as I know, old tractors start about as easily as new ones if the compression is good. Every time I've been around an otherwise decent older tractorthat was hard to start it was simply electrical and/or fuel flow not working right. That applies equally to both diesel & gasoline (petrol) powered tractors. Both of electrical & fuel flow can drive owners nuts, but are the easiest things for mechanics to deal with.

Tractor brakes tend to be mechanical, exterior primitive, weak, and easy to access on some of the older tractors. Or else just the opposite from that when they are wet brakes located within in the transmission case itself. Those are really difficult to access for service.

Since you say your place is sloping, brakes should be on your list too. Brakes didn't get much attention on older tractors.....maybe that was because getting it stopped was not nearly as important as keeping it going. So don't expect much in the way of stopping from old style tractor brakes even when they work perfectly. Old style tractor brakes were more for parking or holding in place and for L/R steering aids rather than for reducing speed. But get them working well and they will at least slow your decent. Expect brakes to be basic mechanically actuated type and to probably need attention if they work at all on a 40+ year old tractor. New shoes or rivited linings, springs, and lathe-turning the drums are all commonly needed. Brake service is mysterious to the uninitiated, & like electrics, injectors, or carb work is the right type of job to fit a limited budget. IMHO, those are the kinds of problems that you should be hoping to find.

If you look at exploded diagrams for tractors of any era you'll likely discover that many use transmission countershaft braking rather than drive axle shaft brakes such as cars do. So to find tractor brakes, follow the linkage and then look for bolted-on access panels or extensions of the transmission housing right where the ends of the transmission countershafts would logically be.
Good luck, rScotty

 

[greggyy]

I dislike electrical work more than mechanical but I know what your saying, now if it was going the same price or cheaper & a decent tractor, then I could go for that, but atm other one is lined up, it seems to have a hydraulic issue though, maybe you seen other thread I made ?

I put the brakes on and it stopped alright, and the handbrake holds it on a slope that is not shallow, I guess the brakes need to work in case you knock the thing out of gear, do not want a wild ride through my fencing and into a rocky creek ! (I know people who have done this and been very lucky to still be with us), I will be avoiding using it at all where the steepest sections are & the International has a ROPS and a shade cover, which is a bonus.

I should look up to see if it is syncro box, if you can get it back into gear, all should be good, I will keep a digging implement on back if possible, can always drop that as an anchor :thumbsup:

re hard to start, older ones will be harder or take longer that late injected ones, if it is cold enough, every diesel would be hard, but I do not live in the arctic or former USSR, if they all were hard to start, they would not have sold as many as are down under, Lot of Inters, Ford & Massey, quite a few David Brown as well.

You can find Massey TE20 I think they are, near everywhere.

 

[Farmer495]

Internationals are notoriously hard to start, especially in cold weather.

Don't buy a loader tractor without down pressure on the loader.

Got a D179 (german IH 3 cyl) powered CaseIH that will start unassisted at -10 Celsius. No glow plugs on it either. I don't get this IH are hard to start, if that was the case no one in Canada would ever get anything done.