looking at the Mahindra 4110

[alberto]

I have been looking for a CUT for some time, and have just looked at the 4110, is this really as good of a tractor as i think it is, test drove and found it very nice, the engine is daedong, supposedly the same as kubota, so im told, is this tractor really as good as the top 3. I know that it does not have some of the bells and whistles that the top 3 have, but im a firm believer that make it simple and when it breaks you do not need a rocket scientist to fix it. Please help looking to buy soon, looking to pay 26,000 for 4110 with ML112 ldr and 509hoe. or should I stay with the smaller and lighter Kubota

 

[clundog]

<font color="red"> </font> , the engine is daedong, supposedly the same as kubota

Not Kubota, same as in Kioti.
I'm a firm beleiver in the Mahidra line and if I needed a bigger tractor than what I have the 4110 would definatly be a contender. As far as the lighter Kubota is concerned, my opinion is weight equals traction and helps get the power to the ground.
I know there are some 4110 owners out there, hopefully they'll chime in and give their opinion!

 

[DavesTractor]

The 4110 with the ML112 and the (Bradco) 509 backhoe is a great machine. As stated, the engine is actually Kioti. The backhoe is about the best available anywhere. The subframe is massive, yet the backhoe comes off in 5 minutes.

Kubota makes great tractors, but to get something with equivalent specs would cost you a fair bit more.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

I think people could give you more input if provided more details?

what are you using it for?
what tractors have you had/used? what did you think of them.
how long do you plan on keeping it?
are you going to do any mowing? loader work?
what transmissions are you partial to? what have you used?

 

[KENB]

Alberto-
I may not be the best person for evaluating the 4110, but here goes. I have owned/operated a Ford N-series, and a Ford 800 series tractor for many years. I bought the 4110 to go along with the 2N so that I could have one small and one larger tractor. I have had the 4110 now for about 6 months. Because I have not had alot of larger tractor experience, my opinion may be short-sighted, but here is what I have found so far with my 4110:
Engine: NOISY, exhaust heads straight for the driver.
Trans: 12/12. None of the 12 speeds are just right for me. They are either too slow or too fast. Med-3 is close to good.
Seat: Too low to see the FEL (maybe I'm too short! 5'10")
The seat is definetely not the most confortable, and good luck finding another seat for it, because I have yet to find a fit.

FEL(ML112): Too slow. Easy to remove though. Light duty bucket, easy to bend comes standard.

Backhoe/Tractor arrangement: I don't have the backhoe, so I can't tell you first hand. But here is what I've heard or seen: Because of the location of the fuel tank, cannot turn seat around with the Backhoe. This means you have to get off the backhoe, and re-mount the tractor to drive the tractor to another location. Some other brands have the ability for the seat to spin around (convienent for backhoe use).
Backhoe itself: Unless you want to have a 3-pt backhoe, (which some advise against on a CUT), you are limited to getting the Mahindra 509/511 because I have yet to find another brand backhoe that makes a sub-frame for the Mahindra. I hear that the 509/511 is a good backhoe, but it does not come cheap. Also, I hear that you need the optional pump for the Mahindra/Bradco backhoe or you will not be totally satifisfied with the performance because of the LOW hydraulic output of the Mahindra 7.something GPM. If you are going to pay that much money for a backhoe, I think one would be better off getting the optional pump so that you can be satisfied totally. Like I said the FEL to me is slooooow. If that is any indication of the backhoe performance without the optional pump, I would think the backhoe would be slooower.
FIT/FINISH: This is a highly argueable area. Well, I think that the paint job is not for the fellow that likes to see his tractor cleaned up after using it, and it be all nice and showroom quality. My rollbar and a few other areas were rusty after about 1 month, and I keep the tractor in the shed. The front grill area is plastic like a plastic picnic plate, and it breaks as easy as one too, if a branch swats it good. Other items in the fit/finish category are: My fenders were cracked when it was delivered, and there was a tear in my seat. So, we didn't get off to a good start. Paint job to me is just not A+. Maybe none of the other brands are that great either, after all it is just a tractor.
Basically this is NOT a brand for a guy that cares about cosmetics, and maybe it is silly to care about the comestic appearance of a tractor period.
Lights: The lights on the tractor are good as long as you don't have the FEL attached.
FUEL TANK: If you have a regular fuel nozzle (like at the gas station), the tractor is easy to fill up. If you fill up with a small 5 gallon can, it is a real pain.
Documentation/Owners manual: Brief, and barely adequate.
Price: To me, the price and specifications drove me to this brand of tractor. Its specs are better than most tractors in its same class/category. But my question is, who really validates and verifies this information? I would like to see for my own eyes my ML112 FEL pick up its specification of 1550 lbs ... sometimes I really doubt it.
To sum up: I guess I should should have read the book available on this website before purchasing. It may or may not have changed my mind.
I may get alot of harsh words against me for writing this, but it is just my observations. It is true, I wish I would have saved my money a little bit longer, and most importantly TEST DROVE more brands. I would have probably either felt better about my Mahindra or I may have bought another brand, who knows. So my advice is to TEST DRIVE and TEST DRIVE as much as you can with local dealers that you really feel good about, and then make your decision. The tractor is with you long after the price is forgotten, so, take your time. You may decide on a 4110. Alot of folks that have it love it. Me, sometimes I think it is ok, other times, I wish I would have looked around longer for a better fit for me personally. Good luck to ya.

 

[Golfgar4]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I may get alot of harsh words against me for writing this, but it is just my observations. )</font>

Ken,

If you do get harsh words, just consider the source.

Alberto asked for peoples' opinions on this particular tractor. You obviously have a very strong opinion, albeit somewhat negative.

In fact, I have to tell you that I admire your frankness. You're willing to admit to making something of a mistake in your decision. This is something that the vast of majority of people wouldn't be willing to do. And you're doing it to help someone else avoid making the same mistakes that you made.

I, for one, am thanking you for the honest evaluation. I planned on looking closely at Mahindra's when I'm ready to buy. And now, armed with the information that you've provided, I'll be able to make a more informed decision and be able to better exam the machines so that I might avoid similar disatisfactions.

Thanks! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[shvl73]

I'll agree with Golfgar4, nothing wrong with posting your opinion, afterall, that's what was requested. I've been very pleased with my Mahindra, but a different model, 2810HST. It's good to get the opinions of people that actually have the tractor, then try some out & let those experiences guide you to your purchase.

 

[alberto]

im going to do mostly landscape work, with some large stone retaining walls, im partial to hydro trans but the others will work fine also, have used both john deere older models and have a belarus 420a, and what a curse it is.

 

[alberto]

Ken,
I really want to thank you for your honesty and time you took to outline all areas, there are some things that I will agree on with you on is the seat is very low and tight, hope mahindra pay attention to that. I will take all you have stated to hearth. I have not made my decision as of yet, but am still test driving other tractors, looking at the NH models now. lets see how they compare to the mahindra. ty

 

[dbelisle]

I don't have the 4110 but have the 2810HST.

I went with this unit because I wanted the Hydro transmission and at the time it was the only Mahindra that had it.
And it has very good ground clearance with the hoe on
and I like the large front tires for getting into rough places.

I have been very happy with the tractor.

I have the 3375 backhoe and have found it to be a very good and powerful unit.

I have also let a number of tractor owners use it and they where very impressed with the Mahindra 2810HST and 3375 backhoe.

So , good luck on tractor shopping , I went and looked at a lot of different brands and found a lot of great tractors with features that I liked. But for me the 2810HST fit the bill...........

2810HST

Dave in NH

 

[RanchMan]

Alberto -

I've had my 4110 for over 2 years and have some observations as well. Before I start, let me point out that I have in the past stated out on TBN that the 4110 is far from perfect, so no, I do not let "brand loyalty" get in the way of my objective opinion.

With regards to Ken's observances, I have a much different take on most of the points he makes. Kindof figured it might be useful to give my $.02 on the same areas (plus a couple of others.) 'Course a lot of this stuff is very subjective, so it isn't so much that Ken is "wrong" - just that I have a different opinion than him based on my experiences.

Noise: Yea, the 4110 is kindof noisy due to the RPM required to stay in the proper torque band. 'Course most tractors have some degree of noise, you just have to figure out what is objectionable for you. Personally I wear ear plugs whenever I run my tractor. Doing this I have no issue with the volume.

Exhaust: I do not have this problem whatsoever as the exhaust is pointed away from the driver.

Trans: I use a variety of implements on a regular basis (cutter, box blade, spreader, landscape rake, disc, harrow, etc.) I find the 12 speeds very useful and have never been unable to find a "perfect" speed by tweaking the RPM's just a little bit.

Seat: Fine for me - good view EXCEPT for over the hood. Takes some getting used to. The real problem is not the seat but how far out the hood goes. You'd have much better visibility if it had a sharper slope and had a lower overall height. The Kioti or the New Holland are examples of hoods that offer much better FEL visibility.

FEL(ML112): Adequate. Lighter duty than some, but fine for general work. Have yet to bend/damage it. Speed is fine for my uses. I think that one problem people have is they think that FEL’s are dozer blades and they use them as such. They aren’t. I use a dozer for my dozer work (clearing mesquite, road cutting, etc.) and my tractor for tractor work. I have used my FEL for both digging and moving materials (dirt, rocks.) The biggest gripe I have with the FEL is the arm arch design - it is a real impediment to visibility. Other mfgs. have much better designs for their arms which eliminate this issue.

Backhoe: I don’t own one nor have I operated one on my tractor so I do not feel that it is fair for me to comment on them - positively or negatively.

Fit/Finish: As good as any tractor out there. I have not have any problems with rust anywhere on the tractor nor with the paint. My tractor is stored under a tarp canopy, so while it does get some protection, it does not get as much as an enclosed shelter. My tractor "cleans up" well.

Fuel Tank: As Ken said, a royal pain to fill with a 5 gal jug. I use a siphon setup which helps a lot. Also, due to the pre-filter for filling and lack of a good vent setup, you have to fill it slowly or you can get quite a bit of "splashback." I hate this aspect and it has caused more than a drop or two of diesel to get on me and the rest of the tractor.

Documentation/Owners manual: Ok. A little light, but I found it adequate. Has all the important stuff in there and basic procedures. A little more detail on a few things would be nice and to have it a little more current (e.g. the API specs for oil), but overall, Ok.

Lights: The FEL gets in the way quite a bit and they should have a better lens/bulb arrangement, IMO. I added 2 supplemental lights on my canopy which solved this problem.

Price: For what you get, I think it is a very good price and for me and my uses, it and the Kioti line are at the top of my list as far as the "value equation" is concerned.

PTO: My biggest beef with the tractor. They use a solenoid to engage the PTO. e.g. You flip a switch and the PTO engages, you flip it the other way, it turns off. The first one on the tractor froze up and had to be replaced. (under warranty). The second one is starting to have problems and if I can’t figure a way to "fix" it, it will cost about $500 to fix. (no more warranty left) I see this as a major design flaw with the tractor. I believe failure is heat related and I’m unaware if it has been addressed on current production 4110’s, although Mahindra is aware of the issue (spoke with them in Houston.)

Radiator: All tractors have radiators that get clogged with junk from mowing and such and need cleaning out, the issue I have is that due to some of the supports and other stuff under the hood, it seems more difficult than it needs to be. I use compressed air on a wand to clean mine, but to get a good cleaning I have to take off both sides of the engine compartment (granted, not THAT big a deal) to get to everything, and then it is still less than an ideal situation.

Overall, this little tractor has done pretty much everything I’ve thrown at it. Again, the one major problem in my mind is the PTO solenoid setup. I wish Mahindra had not done it the way they did and sure hope it has been resolved in current production tractors. This is the only real drawback I see - otherwise I think it is a good tractor at a good price. If I were to do it all over again, I might look a little harder at the Kioti DK40 - but only because of the PTO solenoid problems I've had on my 4110.

Good luck.

 

[DiskDoctr]

I think you are getting good input here.

As you can tell, this is a Mahindra discussion forum , not a cheering section for our tractors.

Pros and cons.

Just a word on the 12 gears. I usually use M-1 or M-2 for working, then shift the range to H (1-2) to move the tractor. Otherwise, it drives me crazy to drive so slow.

I have found the lower ranges great for crawling along with a tiller or fine box blading.

Bottom line on the gears, is use the range lever instead of the gear selector... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Here is a thread discussing some of the items users would like changed.

Listen up Mahindra- user requested mods

Just to be clear, I am overall satisfied with my 3510, almost the same as the 4110 except for tires and engine.

-JC

 

[alberto]

ranchman,
Thanks lots to think about, I have just tested a KIOTI DK40 and it was a nice machine the Hoe was not as nice as the Bradco, but was still very useful, I have a tough decision ahead of me and I want to thank not only yourself but everyone who spent time sharing their valuable knowledge on the 4110, and for some I know it must have not been so easy to admit faults with your CUT. thank you again.

 

[OsageHills]

I have the 3510 with the 509 hoe. I have been pleased with its ability - tractor and hoe. BUT. for a few hundred more, the 511 hoe would be my choice. The two extra feet plus a little more digging force would come in handy - at least here in rock country.

 

[KENB]

OsageHills ,
Very interesting that you have a 3510 and a 509. I would like to know, do you have the OPTIONAL PUMP with your 509 hoe? Or do you run it from your tractors hydraulics? Tell me about the speed and performance, because I've heard the 509 and 511 really need the optional pump. Curious to know what your arrangement/setup is like. Thanks

 

[LarryRB]

if you are just hit and miss using the hoe, it shouldn't matter much.. I have the 511 and was not happy with it's performance and later went with the PTO option.. You also have to realize, it took me quite awhile to get use to sizing down. I ran a JD 710 commercial hoe, almost every single day, and to jump on the 511 was a major wake up call. I am extremely happy with the pto system on my 511. I can run this almost like a full blown commercial hoe. Yes, the swing is weak and is purposely designed as such.. Hard to beat 5900 lb bucket force when needing though..

 

[depratt_equip]

What Model BH was on the DK40 that you looked at?

 

[OsageHills]

KenB,
My 509 was ordered with the pto pump. I had read many post here before making my selection and gathered the pto pump was the way to go. The unit is as much as the tractor can handle. It wants to throw it around a bit if not careful. I dont see that I can ask any more performance wise of the BH on my 3510 except as I said ealier - reach. The 511 was shown to attach on the 3510 but Mahindra said the 509 was the biggest allowed. I wouldn't want anything less capable than this selection though. I wouldn't intentionally reduce its ability - speed, etc, by not getting the pto pump considering the cost of the package.

 

[alberto]

In response to your question the how was KB2085.