Looking for advice for choosing a PTO HYDRAULIC PUMP

   / Looking for advice for choosing a PTO HYDRAULIC PUMP #11  
I believe that you will find side ported pumps far more common than rear ported. Rear ported allows fitting into a narrow space like between frame rails.

For pressure below 3,000 PSI aluminum is most likely more common material

Are you estimating requiring 26 PTO hp? If yes then how much engine power Is required to perform other work? I.e. actual tractor size?
 
   / Looking for advice for choosing a PTO HYDRAULIC PUMP
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#12  
One of the reasons I'm considering such a niche market of small farms, is not only the organic farmer but also the equine industry. It seems the tractor ownership is geared more to the compact size of 40 up to 80hp. That said, there are plenty of 35hp in use too. 26hp @ PTO to hydraulic @ 85% efficiency, I believe would be about equal to using a 22hp Kohler direct driven machine. The Kohler powered units for those who use ATV/UTV. I realize if I keep the equipment to under 20GPM @ 2200psi, then 26hp @ PTO is an over-requirement, but knowing how people are, requiring ample hp will hopefully deter negative feedback when someone is pushing the limits of their tractor. I am also keeping in mind that a lot of folks are R4 tires and if they're using a 22hp sized tractor with R4s that can run a 20GPM pump for a log splitter, that might not work out well for an automated implement being pulled through deformable soil.
 
   / Looking for advice for choosing a PTO HYDRAULIC PUMP #13  
While the pto pumps that just slide over the pto shaft are effective they also get in the way at times,
they are cumbersome to mount and the hoses running to the valving and tank are always in the way.
I much prefer the pump to be mounted on the equipment with a pto shaft to it driving the pump.
This can be 3 point mounted, trailing (drawbar), or semi mounted (just on the lift arms).
With the pump mounted on the equipment the reservoir can be integrated on or in the equipment.
Hookup is easier and faster, maintenance is easier.

Also if you put pump on tractor and equipment is on a swivel hitch and towed behind tractor, hydraulic hoses can be come so stiff under pressure it make it difficult to turn....

Dale
 
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#14  
Dale,

Can you explain a bit further?
Are you talking tractor/implement turn?
The hoses becoming so stiff that it's hard to turn the tractor or that the implement won't follow and acts as if it were 3 point?
 
   / Looking for advice for choosing a PTO HYDRAULIC PUMP #15  
Dale,

Can you explain a bit further?
Are you talking tractor/implement turn?
The hoses becoming so stiff that it's hard to turn the tractor or that the implement won't follow and acts as if it were 3 point?

That appears to be the suggestion. It is not a concern I would have.
 
   / Looking for advice for choosing a PTO HYDRAULIC PUMP #16  
I would run a larger gpm pump than you need. Most times you don't need the tractor running at full pto speed and that lets you slow the engine down and still have full gpm 's at the hydraulics.

I run a mower with a 21 gpm pump on the pto of my tractor. The hydraulic motors are 16 gpm. 2600 rpm is pto speed on my 4410. 1900 rpm is 16 gpm with plenty of power left over to move the tractor with. I've saved lots of wear and tare/fuel on my tractor in the last 15 years running the motor slower.
 
   / Looking for advice for choosing a PTO HYDRAULIC PUMP #17  
I would run a larger gpm pump than you need. Most times you don't need the tractor running at full pto speed and that lets you slow the engine down and still have full gpm 's at the hydraulics.

I run a mower with a 21 gpm pump on the pto of my tractor. The hydraulic motors are 16 gpm. 2600 rpm is pto speed on my 4410. 1900 rpm is 16 gpm with plenty of power left over to move the tractor with. I've saved lots of wear and tare/fuel on my tractor in the last 15 years running the motor slower.

That’s great until you get some jackleg that runs the tractor at WOT. Yeah, you will not, but if the OP is going to market a package, the components need to be matched and incapable of being overspeeded or run beyond flow capacity.
 
   / Looking for advice for choosing a PTO HYDRAULIC PUMP #18  
You may have done this already but now retired from my part time farming a little being produce, have you researched to see if the equipment you are trying to design has not already been built in the US? There use to be a lot of specialty machines out there from maybe the 60 and 70's. Built for low hp tractors. You may find some equipment for say the tobacco industry or other crops that will met you goals. At least may give you ideas on designs and options.
 
   / Looking for advice for choosing a PTO HYDRAULIC PUMP #19  
That’s great until you get some jackleg that runs the tractor at WOT. Yeah, you will not, but if the OP is going to market a package, the components need to be matched and incapable of being overspeeded or run beyond flow capacity.

If I get ticked off on a hot day in tough grass we go to full throttle. Hasn't hurt anything yet, but I agree that it certainly could hurt something. I'm just thankful that I have the extra capacity when I need it.
 
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Kthompson,

Yes, I search both existing and patents. Example: Straw bed mulchers for crops such as strawberry fields or like me, hardneck garlic. I currently use a 1958 New Holland 331 manure spreader that I modified that chops and spreads straw mulch over the raised beds and furrows at 6 inch depth. The problem is it drops from the back as do the big $150K+ models which obviously makes the need for much larger turns plus now I need to change everything back over to sling poo or buy another one. A blower works, but now more labor required. A bale processor blower with RC hydraulic shoot works pretty good until you have a wet fall like we just did when the field was soaked and had to wait until it was frozen. Wind is also an issue there. Joe Hobson invented something similar to what I'm looking at in the early 80's and the patent has expired. His was designed to mulch furrows to boost yields and reduce erosion, it was genius and it works especially well with plasticulture, however does not cover the entire bed. If anyone has any ideas or better solutions, pitch it, I'm listening! Another example would be rock removal for horse arenas that could be used for paddocks too. The Barber Surf Rake works well, but at $50k+, is there any wonder why only cities can afford them. They're using our money to buy them, not their own. The screening machine can be built for much cheaper where I can produce a great product leaving happy customers all while supporting my family and church
 
 

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