Looking for comparable tractor to New Holland 1920

[jinman]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I think you are wrong on the 2120 hp.. it is 43hp as far as I know. 4 cyl 138.5 ci .
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I should have said that I was talking about PTO hp instead of rated engine hp on both the 1920 and 2120. Machinery Link lists the 1920 as 28.5 pto hp and the 2120 as 34.8 pto hp. The TC45 is a 135.2 cu. in., 4 cyl. and puts out 45 hp and about 37 at the pto.

Surely, the Class II TC33 is not in the class of the 1920 or 2120, but the new TC33DA's 14LA loader will outperform the 7308 loader on the 1920. I think you are right that the TC33, itself, is much more "fragile" than the 1920.

Numbers can be deceiving. I don't really know what actual operation of each tractor side-by-side would show, but I bet it would be a pretty close contest between the 2120 and the TC45. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[Soundguy]

The 2120, should be more or less about equal to the 45.. we are talking 2hp difference.. engine and pto. I'm not sure what rpm the 45 rates its Hp at either. If it is anything like the other TC series.. they have suped up the rpm to make the hp. A quick check shows some parts interchangeability between the 2120 and the 45.. that is promising, as the 2120 was a superior machine when it came out.

I'm not a loader man when it comes to tractors... If I want a REAL loader, I'll use my dad's JD 644.. etc... no comparison with a real articulated front end loader.. as compaired to a tractor loader.
For the tractors..most of the loader differences can be made up in custom valving and aux pump differences.

As for the 1920 and the tc33...well... most people compairing tractor look at only one thing... hp. and if you look at that.. the 1920 and the tc33 'look' identical.. even though it is pretty much consensus that a 1920 would drag a 33 around behind it all day..... that's why it is so hard to get apples to apples comparisons when tractor shopping... too many choices in the same category sometimes..

Anyway.. back to my original point.. which was that the 2120 was near equal to the 45.. not way behind it... which.. I think we agree on? /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Soundguy

 

[AndyMA]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Anyway.. back to my original point.. which was that the 2120 was near equal to the 45.. not way behind it... which.. I think we agree on?
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I totally disagree that the TC45 and the 2120 are about equal. The TC45 may have about the same hp, but the 2120 has a larger frame. The 2120 and TC48 are a better comparison. I know Rat has an issue with 2120's but in my opinion and the opion of many others they are one of the better tractors Ford/New Holland ever made. They are just much more tractor than a TC45. Drive them side by side and you'll see. I've never had any issues with the loader on the 2120 either, either speed or lift capacity. I was at my dealers on Sat and told him about this post. His reply was the 2120 is the smallest tractor in the New Holland line that you can use day in and day out as a real tractor, the TC 45 just doesn't compare. As far as hp, the 2120 was derated to be under some guideline. It is actually more. Just my thoughts.

Andy

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I totally disagree that the TC45 and the 2120 are about equal)</font>

What I meant was that the 2120 was not 'way below' a 45.. as another had stated.


</font><font color="blue" class="small">( His reply was the 2120 is the smallest tractor in the New Holland line that you can use day in and day out as a real tractor, the TC 45 just doesn't compare )</font>

Though I don't onwn a 2120.. I agree. My 1920 was awesome.. With one exception.. everyone I've talked to with a 2120 though it was like sliced bread ( totally awesome ).

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( As far as hp, the 2120 was derated to be under some guideline. )</font>

Heck look at the 1920 compiared to the tc33... both are the same HP according to the manual... yet it is pretty evident that the much larger 4 cyl power plant in the 1920 would make chopped liver of the 33 on a real life test basis..


Soundguy

 

[_RaT_]

I have a different take on horsepower and number of cylinders then you. My 179 cu in 3 cylinder International is only 40 HP, but without a doubt, has far more power then any 40 to 50 HP tractor I have ever driven, that especially includes the 2120. When it comes to horsepower, I say shmorsepower, show me the torque curve.

 

[Soundguy]

I do agree that there is more to a tractor than simply rated HP. A JD-B is 28 hp or so.. and a ford N is 27.3 both numbers out of the operating manuals.. However.. when you look at something like haying.. While I have seen a few individuals do a bit of haying with an N.. it was alot of work.. etc.. shifting to find good speed/vs pto.. quickly clutching and shifting out of gear then un clutching to let the bailer clear.. etc.. while on the other hand.. I've talked to quite a few people who hayed with a B... Weight was one issue. The later B's with cast iron rear rims were a tad over 4XXX.. whereas the N was 28XX.

Lugging capability comes in good. The tractor mechanic down the road who I talked to about 10' mowers and tractor sizes a few weeks ago was showing me a 5610 and a 10' mower. By the book, the 5610 was shy by a decent margin for hp to run the machine.. but he says that 3 of his customers use them like that.. and the 5610 lugs pretty good.. on the other hand NH tn55 wouldn't handle it as well.. in his opinion...

Lets keep somewhat an apples to apples comparison. That older iron, international was built with completely different ideas in mind. My neighbor disc's with an old M or H farmall.. and that machine was in the mid to mid hi 20's hp range.. and it pulled a disc that my 33hp NH 1920 wouldn't even budge.. in 4wd with diff lock... go figure..

Soundguy