Looking to buy my first tractor

   / Looking to buy my first tractor #1  

markhait

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Milford, Michigan
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CubCadet LT50, John Deere 2305
As the title states, im looking to buy my first real tractor. Im open to anything right now, but i think I'll stick with new as opposed to used.
My primary role will be to grade our dirt road that we live on. Its about 12 feet wide and 350 feet long. Right now it is full of potholes and im tired of knocking my teeth out whenever i drive on it.
I have no idea of what even horse power i should be looking for. I assume somewhere in the 25-30 range, but im just guessing.
Im open to any brand too. Around me i know we have the following dealers: John Deere, Kioti, New Holland and Kubota. Maybe others too, but i know for sure those.
Thank you for your help!
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #2  
As a newbie myself, I spent the last 5 or 6 months looking and researching all the brands. I found this website and really dove in for information. With that being said, I ended up with a Mahindra 1526 HST. For me one of the deciding factors was a video I saw that compared the Mahindra to an orange one. The Mahindra simply looked better built. It was less money and I for one like that they are not at the top of the pack like the orange and green ones are. At least in my view they (Mahindra) is competing in a pretty tight, loyal market. They have a great rebate program going, I love the 7 year warranty and the 0% financing. The dealer is pretty good too. Now for the tough part, (minor), I paid and ordered this machine on March 8th and still have yet to have it delivered. They are waiting on the bucket for the backhoe. I am anxious to get it and start working it.

But alas, as many others have stated, most of the tractor manufacturers out there are reputable and have great products.

Oh, one of reasons for the 1526HST is that I can tow it with my 1/2 ton truck and it fits in my garage. I really like the 1533 but it comes in too close for comfort on the limits of my truck and it wont fit in my garage.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #3  
If that's your only use, why not rent a tractor and a grader for a day?

I'm personally of the opinion that anything much lighter than the Kubota standard L line is to light for much ground engagement work. I know a lot of people on here will disagree with that, but it's what I think. The smaller CUTs, and especially the SCUTs are useful for the PTO and FEL more than actual ground engagement like running a box blade or land plane. Just my :2cents:

John Deere: Pay a premium for green paint. Avoid the "E" lineup. They have unacceptable design flaws like aluminum rear housings and terrible fuel gauges. The "R" line is pretty nice. I've seen, and experienced, the JD snobbery, so make sure your dealer isn't one that puts their nose up in the air at the thought of selling a CUT to a landowner.

Kioti: Good value for money. A bit less refined than the high end offerings from JD or Kubota. Make sure your dealer is committed to the line, as Kioti tends to get picked up and dropped by ATV dealers, at least in my area.

New Holland: Honestly, not much to say. They exist. New Holland Dealers tend to be well established. I think LS makes most of their smaller tractors.

Kubota: Pay a premium for the orange paint, though not as much as JD's green. Good selection of both simple and "luxury" machines. Again, usually well established dealers. Unlike the New Holland and JD dealers the Kubota ones should be more focused on the smaller end of the line, as that's where they have the volume. Messick's is a sponsor of this site and carries both lines, doesn't really push the New Holland CUTs, if that says anything.
 
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   / Looking to buy my first tractor #5  
As the title states, im looking to buy my first real tractor. Im open to anything right now, but i think I'll stick with new as opposed to used.
My primary role will be to grade our dirt road that we live on. Its about 12 feet wide and 350 feet long. Right now it is full of potholes and im tired of knocking my teeth out whenever i drive on it.
I have no idea of what even horse power i should be looking for. I assume somewhere in the 25-30 range, but im just guessing.
Im open to any brand too. Around me i know we have the following dealers: John Deere, Kioti, New Holland and Kubota. Maybe others too, but i know for sure those.
Thank you for your help!

You pretty much can buy a tractor from any of the big names and get a good machine, so it really comes down to personal preferences, the dealer, and budget. I don't know all the dealers in the area, but know a fair number of them.

Nobody can argue Deere and Kubota make great tractors, but they do tend to be the most expensive for any given size/power/capability.

New Holland and Case/IH are simply selling LS tractors with their own colors and decals in the size range you're talking, and charge thousands more on average, so I can't see them making much sense for many folks when you can buy the same machine from LS for far less. I know at least some models use a loader they have made different from what comes on an LS, but they tend to be less powerful, with a bit higher lift height, so that might sway things for you.

Kioti and LS are the newcomers on the block, but making really nice tractors at a great price point. I've been highly critical of the LS and Kioti dealer in Whitmore Lake not far from you, but others have had similar experiences. Michigan Iron and Equipment in Morrice, MI is really easy to work with, and I drove a long way to visit them a couple of years ago....well worth the drive if you want to look at a Kioti....they will even give you a quote over the phone in about two minutes, which isn't something all dealers will do.

TYM is making some decent machines, but those I've seen in person didn't impress me. They struck me as crude in many ways and less robust in important areas like axle housings, etc.

Mahindra is a mixed bag. They build some of their own tractors, buy some from TYM, and others from Mitsubishi (going off memory). They tend to offer powerful loaders, and heavier weights, which can be a good thing. In general, I avoid supporting Indian companies the way I avoid supporting Russian or Chinese companies, so I wouldn't buy one, but I won't say they're bad machines. There aren't any dealers within an hour or two of me, so it wasn't even an option the last time I was buying new.

The one that it seems you left out is Massey Ferguson. There are a couple of dealers not terribly far from you, and while they are on the higher price side, are certainly worth a look. MF is buying some of their smaller tractors from Iseki, but they are really nice machines. In the SCUT arena they compete really well with Kubota, which is saying something.

Regardless of brand, make sure you get seat time in the machines you're considering. Something like the loader control position, or the seat/peddle arrangement might be great for me, and drive you crazy....or vise versa. You don't want to be irritated by something like that every time you use the tractor, so get as much time running them as possible before you make your final decision.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #6  
I agree with all that has been said and no need to repeat. A few things I noticed - you almost have to get into the 40 - 45 hp range or above to get a tractor that will "pull" heavy ground engagement implements and do a real job for you. I'm talking about maintaining the crown on a mile long gravel driveway - that turns to concrete when it dries out. Or scarfing extended sections of my driveway, pulling the gravel out of the driveway ditches, redistributing its along these sections, leveling, smoothing and compacting it. I move large rocks - up to 3000 pounds - and sections of my virgin Ponderosa pine up to that weight also.

I had a 26 hp Ford 1700 4WD for the first 25+ years. It did just fine for the smaller jobs and winter snow removal. Now I'm doing the larger jobs and find that the Kubota M6040 can handle the larger implements - grapple, rear blade, LPGS, bucket - that allow me to tackle and complete these.

Brand or color may not be as important as a tractor that has the controls where you want them, meets your current and long term needs and VERY important - is backed by a dealership that can and will provide good service for your unit. Nobody likes to think about required dealer service but if your tractor is "down" and the dealer is non-responsive - you could find yourself in a real pickle.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #7  
Welcome to TBN!
For ground engaging work, weight should be a primary factor and HP can be a secondary consideration.
By that I mean that it's unusual to find a modern tractor that lacks the power to exhaust traction.
Generally, you'll run out of traction before you run out of power.
Exceptions to my HP comments include snow blowing, heavy mowing, top speed road driving and working on slopes.

When traction fails, work stops & may even lead to recovery burning your daylight.
More power will let you get the same amount of work done, but faster, if traction will allow it.
So look for weight, 4WD, HST or manual with a low bottom gear (1 mph or less at full throttle is good).
Differential lock and split brakes can help in borderline traction conditions.
Tire selection, and the option of using chains can be big factors in determining your available tractive power.

You'll get lots of good advice for your specific needs if you can tell us the full range of jobs that you intend to do with the tractor.
What kind of climate, terrain & soil can also be big factors in your buying choices.

-Jim
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor
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Thanks for all the replies!
I share our road with 3 other homes and a horse boarder at the very end. 30 years ago there was a big argument about the road and it ended up that the horse farm was to solely maintain the road. I was told that this is a gentlemans agreement and if they don't do a good job, that there are no legal ramifications that you can pursue. That being said, they dont do a good job at all!!! Ive lived here for 14 years now and i cant stand how bad our road is. My intension is to grade from my driveway to the county road. Fortunately, i am the first house on the road.

While i dont mind speding money on a tractor, i certainly dont want to buy the most expensive or get one that struggles to do the job. That being said and the fact that i only plan on working on less than 1/3rd of the road, Do you think that i need to buy something in the 40 hp range? Tractors in the 30 hp range are really in what I'd consider my ideal price range, but if that machine is going to struggle and i end up beating it to death, i dont what my tractor in the repair shop all the time.
I certainly dont want to buy a tractor and on my first pass down our road have buyers regret.

If in fact i need something in the 40 hp range, who do you think gives the most bang for the buck?
I see Kioti and LS being thrown around alot.
I dont need all the bells and whistled either. Im sure I'll end up using the tractor for other things, but it's primary role will be for maintaining our road.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #9  
Private road issues are always fun.

It might be better to periodically to hire someone to grade the road. They'll have the right equipment and also knowledge of how to grade roads. I found out when I got my first tractor and started using a box blade to level some uneven land that it's not as easy as it looks. I got it done and learned by doing but I'll never be as good as someone who's done it for hours a day for years.

Of course if you have other needs for the tractor or really want to do it yourself, get the tractor.
 

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