Low hyd fluid Jinma 254

   / Low hyd fluid Jinma 254
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#11  
The pump drive gear may have broke ??

https://tommtdplumber.readyhosting.c...Y290X.02.121-1
This drive gear does not look like mine.
My drive gear lookes like a pipe with a slot cut in it .
I have not measured but i suspect that the drive tab of the pump may rotate freely inside the pipe of my drive gear, and catch every once in a while , creating a pulse of fluid flow.
 
   / Low hyd fluid Jinma 254 #12  
I would think the drive gear should be like the part Ronald showed, not a hole with a slot, but a solid shaft with a slot cut thru it. The solid tab on the end of the pump should interface with this slot. The fact that you could not turn the drive gear with a screwdriver in the slot would indicate that the gear train is in tact. IF you crank the engine with the pump removed, you should see that drive gear/slot roate, but if it's slot is not like the part Ronald showed, it may need to be replaced. If the pump shaft is not a square tab like in the picture I linked to in my last post, the pump also might need to be replaced.

Do you have access to a digital camera? A closeup pic of the drive slot and the tab on the end of the shaft on your tractor would be worth a whole lot of description.

If the corners are stripped off of the tab then it is probably rotating in the hole of the drive gear shaft as you suspect. Perhaps this hole was created by a failure and it originally looked like the part Ronald showed. Did you find any loose metal bits in the drive or around the pump shaft when yu disassembled it?

If it is a problem with this interface point, the only way I see this happening is if it were machined incorrectly, or if this coupling was put under excessive load. Have the tractor hydraulics ever been "dead-headed"? A Quick Connection in the hydraulic line opened while the engine was running or the tractor attempted to start with a QC disconnected? This would cause a complete restriction of the flow. A complete loss of flow delivers tremendous loads to the pump and drive assemblies. Enough force to stall the engine, blow out seals in the pump, crack the pump housing or damage the drive.

Post some pics if you can.
 
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#13  
Here are the photos
thanks
Ray
 

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   / Low hyd fluid Jinma 254 #14  
Wow! Those two don't look like a good match for each other. Using the space between the mount bolt holes as a reference, the drive slot looks too big for the shaft but it is hard to judge with the differences in angles. Looks like it was designed for a shaft with a larger slotted drive tab. The length and width of the tab on the shaft should be the same as the length and width as the groove in the drive gear.

The tab on the pump shaft is missing material. You also shot the pump pic at the perfect angle to see the tab is twisted so it has had some heavy torque/load applied to it. The drive slot pic is pretty blurry, but the edges of the groove don't look very defined, like the slot may be bent outward/spread. This could also be a result of overload.

I am a cheap SOB, but I would probably replace them both. The pump might be made to work a bit longer with a drive that is solid with a slot such as Ronald showed us, but it does appear to be missing a substantial ammount of meat from the tab. That twist might not even let it fully engage a solid drive slot.
 
   / Low hyd fluid Jinma 254 #15  
rkevis said:
Here are the photos
thanks
Ray


If it ain't the problem ....... I don't think it will be long till it will be part of the problem.

I would replace both pieces and recheck..... your call.

Ronald
Ranch Hand Supply
 
   / Low hyd fluid Jinma 254 #16  
rkevis said:
I put a screw driver in the intake of the pump and jamed the gears . I was unable to turn the pump with a vice grip on the drive shaft.
I was also unable to turn the drive in the tractor with a screw driver.
It seems to me that the torque is not being transmitted between the tractor and pump.
Well, as suggested above - the engagement between gears and pump is a key and slot arrangement. The pump shaft is the key, fititng into the drive gear slot. If either/both is rounded off, the pump simply doesn't turn.

//greg//
 
   / Low hyd fluid Jinma 254 #17  
Hi
I´ve had the same problem last summer on my Jinma 254 manufaktured in february-05, you need to replace the damaged parts but it´s an easy job. The driveshaft should be massive it´s not a tube. I got a new pump and a complete driveshaft including housing and bearing from my dealer (warranty issue).
 
   / Low hyd fluid Jinma 254 #18  
Ray I sent you a e-mail, you will need to replace the pump drive coupling, bearing and the hydraulic pump.We have the parts and can get them out ,just let me know

Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales
 
   / Low hyd fluid Jinma 254
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#19  
I changed the hyd pump and drive gear.
No problem with air lock ,it started pumping right away.
Its all good.
thanks guys!
Ray
 
   / Low hyd fluid Jinma 254 #20  
Thanks for the follow up.


Ronald
Ranch Hand Supply
 

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