Ls vs kioti

[GManBart]

The A/C does NOT affect my power at all on my 3037. Just keeps humming along mowing......

That's physically impossible. Whether you notice any difference or not, running the A/C still robs power. Mowing doesn't usually come close to taxing a tractor.

 

[mjstef]

That's physically impossible. Whether you notice any difference or not, running the A/C still robs power. Mowing doesn't usually come close to taxing a tractor.

The compressors are so tiny that the draw is very little. I see no noticeably fuel usage difference A/C on or off. At the most these cabs are 80 cubic feet which is not much to cool. Now granted our humidity runs 15-20% here so i'm sure that makes a difference.......

 

[Gary Fowler]

I have to agree that on my tractor, I don't notice any difference in engine sound with AC on vs off. Unlike car engines that lug down when the compressor kicks on, I don't hear anything. Now we all know that any work requires power to perform, whether it be AC or hydraulic pump, but for my tractor and I suspect most CUT tractors, they all run out of traction before power. PTO power would suffer from the AC a bit, but no one I have seen on TBS puts on the max size implement that the tractor would pull under optimum conditions anyway so they always have extra power for the rough spots. Therefore, running the AC does not normally make a noticeable difference.

I cant belief that a dealer would order a tractor with cab without AC. He wouldn't sell one of those EVER in my neck of the woods, regardless of discounted price. Any dealer who makes that kind of statement would be on my AVOID LIST for a long time. Likely the real reason he doesn't order them for his lot is MONEY. Not many buyers out there for small less than 30 HP tractors with a cab (not many buyers for cabs period)so he doesn't put them on his lot, preferring to put his dollars into something that moves faster.

 

[joe04785]

Thanks for the responses everybody. I tried the ls and the kioti. I liked the ls xr3037hc as far as looks and interior but, it seemed very light on the rear end. I went to get a bucket of loam and the rear end came off the ground by a foot. Can anyone tell me if they load the tires or have that problem with the same unit? Thanks

 

[k0ua]

Thanks for the responses everybody. I tried the ls and the kioti. I liked the ls xr3037hc as far as looks and interior but, it seemed very light on the rear end. I went to get a bucket of loam and the rear end came off the ground by a foot. Can anyone tell me if they load the tires or have that problem with the same unit? Thanks

Most tractors are almost unusable/unsafe as they come from the factory. Without loaded tires and/or proper 3pt ballast, you should not attempt to load heavy loads in the FEL bucket. My last two tractors, one a Kubota the other a Kioti, were tested in my gravel pile the minute they rolled off of the trailer, and they both sucked for stability. The Kubota was worse as it did not have loaded tires. The Kioti had loaded tires and it was better, but it still needed some 3pt weight to be totally safe. I cannot go down my gravel driveway in 2wd without 3pt weight even with the loaded tires without breaking traction. Yes I have a very steep gravel driveway.

 

[GManBart]

I cant belief that a dealer would order a tractor with cab without AC. He wouldn't sell one of those EVER in my neck of the woods, regardless of discounted price. Any dealer who makes that kind of statement would be on my AVOID LIST for a long time. Likely the real reason he doesn't order them for his lot is MONEY. Not many buyers out there for small less than 30 HP tractors with a cab (not many buyers for cabs period)so he doesn't put them on his lot, preferring to put his dollars into something that moves faster.

I think you misread what I said. That dealer said he wouldn't put a cab Kioti on his lot smaller than the 50hp model because he felt the 40 and 45hp models were under powered. If a customer wanted one, he would order the crabbed machines with the smaller engines, but isn't recommend it. He didn't order crabbed models without AC....not even sure if it's possible. He had similar feelings about the XR line from LS in the larger frame size anyway.

If you look at PTO power for a DK40SE cab, it's down to 30hp from the open station which is at 34. 30hp at the PTO is pretty light (my opinion) for a machine that size, so I kind of get his point. Then consider that it's a 4,500lb machine before FEL, implements, counterweight, loaded tires, etc, and it makes more sense. I'm sure it would be fine for less taxing jobs, but could be sluggish for others, and dealers don't want stuff on the lot that might disappoint....if you special order it, you're sorta on your own.

 

[GManBart]

Thanks for the responses everybody. I tried the ls and the kioti. I liked the ls xr3037hc as far as looks and interior but, it seemed very light on the rear end. I went to get a bucket of loam and the rear end came off the ground by a foot. Can anyone tell me if they load the tires or have that problem with the same unit? Thanks

Compact tractors need counterweight to be safe using the FEL with anything but the lightest materials. Many companies spec minimum amounts of counterweight, while others leave it to you to sort out. Loaded tires will help, but they don't take weight off the front axle, so you can actually damage the front end without weight on the 3pt. Ideally, 3pt counterweight is used to keep the rear tires planted, and the load on the front axle reasonable, while loaded tires help with traction for all-around use.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

. . . He didn't order crabbed models without AC....

I'd prefer the AC over the crabs.

On a serious note, I've got the DK50SE HST-C and I didn't see any reason to buy the DK40 or 45 instead. The price difference wasn't that great for something I intended to keep for a long time. And I figured the tractor could use the extra HP for the AC. I haven't been disappointed in it.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

Compact tractors need counterweight to be safe using the FEL with anything but the lightest materials. Many companies spec minimum amounts of counterweight, while others leave it to you to sort out. Loaded tires will help, but they don't take weight off the front axle, so you can actually damage the front end without weight on the 3pt. Ideally, 3pt counterweight is used to keep the rear tires planted, and the load on the front axle reasonable, while loaded tires help with traction for all-around use.

I can't believe that the manufacturers and dealers don't do a better job of informing buyers that you really can't use the FEL to its capacity without some counterballast on the rear.

There are a lot of newbs buying tractors. And I can envision plenty of them being unpleasantly surprised, or worse, when they pick up a full bucket of heavy dirt and find out what happens.

 

[TomSeller]

I don't have either of those brands but it seems they are pretty equivalent based on member's opinions. Both seem to be reliable and well made. As has been mentioned, the dealer would be my deciding factor.