LS vs. Kubota questions

[coobie]

I would also look at Kioti tractors they have a strong loader in the 40-45 hp range.

 

[George2615]

I have the XR3037HC cab model and a few of your numbers are off.
The XR3037HC with R4's is 66" wide not 60" unless maybe the one you looked at had R1's.
XR3037HC weighs 3605 plus 1056 for the loader totals 4661Lb.
It has 2 remotes, not 4. 2 ports per remote.
It does have telescoping lower links and SSQA loader bucket which is also 66" wide.
XR3037HC has the Shibaura engine which regens about every 5 hours, 3135 has the new LS engine and regens about every 50 hours. The XR's are what LS calls premium tractors, the XG has Shibaura engine and fewer standard options.
TSO is right about comparing the LS to an L3540/3560 series Kubota which is probably more $$ to get comparable lift capacity.

 

[motownbrowne]

Or for a better value, more features, and added 3pt lift capacity, an LS XR4140-55

That's my main complaint with my MX: the three point capacity. Even lower HP grand Ls have 800-1000# more three point lift. What's up with that? I haven't looked into it, but if there's a way to bump it up, I'd consider it.

 

[ovrszd]

It has 2 remotes, not 4. 2 ports per remote.

Not picking on the OP. Just clarifying. This is a classic example of our individual differences when comparing tractors. Each of us have a varied knowledge and experience with tractors. A potential buyer should be very calculated in his comparisons.

In this situation we are comparing two very different tractors and are struggling comparing "like" features.

I'm impartial to specific brand. Just need to be very specific when doing comparisons.

 

[jaydee325]

Then you have ergonomics. This comes down to personal preferences.

I absolutely could not tolerate the treadle pedal on any tractor, so for me, Kubota was out when I shopped.

I'm not denigrating the Kubota at all. They build a very good, capable tractor. LS was a great choice for me.

 

[George2615]

Not picking on the OP. Just clarifying. This is a classic example of our individual differences when comparing tractors. Each of us have a varied knowledge and experience with tractors. A potential buyer should be very calculated in his comparisons.

In this situation we are comparing two very different tractors and are struggling comparing "like" features.

I'm impartial to specific brand. Just need to be very specific when doing comparisons.

I'm not picking on the OP either. There ARE 4 remote ports or fittings to plug into. each pair is controlled by one lever. IMO that is 2 remotes.

 

[HCROW]

I'm not picking on the OP either. There ARE 4 remote ports or fittings to plug into. each pair is controlled by one lever. IMO that is 2 remotes.

This what prompted me to put 4 on my sheet. I understood that to mean 2 pair, but I do appreciate the "clarifications". It also shows the width at 60".

 

[George2615]

This what prompted me to put 4 on my sheet. I understood that to mean 2 pair, but I do appreciate the "clarifications". It also shows the width at 60".
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Unless something has changed in the past 2 years mine only came with remotes on the rear as pictured in my last post. Front remotes were available but were an option. Maybe that is now a standard feature but the official LS website only shows rear remotes as standard on the XR series. Front remotes may have been added by the dealer which is a 1K option.
Not sure where you got your comparison chart from.

As far as width I measured mine when purchased. 66" wide bucket and rear tire width with R4's.
Weights I posted were taken from the owners manual and loader manual.

 

[HCROW]

Unless something has changed in the past 2 years mine only came with remotes on the rear as pictured in my last post. Front remotes were available but were an option. Maybe that is now a standard feature but the official LS website only shows rear remotes as standard on the XR series. Front remotes may have been added by the dealer which is a 1K option. Not sure where you got your comparison chart from. As far as width I measured mine when purchased. 66" wide bucket and rear tire width with R4's. Weights I posted were taken from the owners manual and loader manual.

That pic was from the LS site.

 

[Cataclysm]

Some of you may have seen my earlier post about my Kubota 4310hst HERE or my search for a new tractor HERE. I have a few questions... due to the dealers that are available and what the different manufacturers offer I have narrowed my search down to one of the following:

Here's the short answer from what I see. Based on your criteria the LS XR3135 best fits your needs of the tractors you listed.

Why is the loader lift capacity so much less on the Kubotas? I think I would be pushing it trying to move round bales with the loader on either of the Kubotas. Having that capability is important to me so that I can leave my blower on the 3pt in the winter and still move round bales.

As mentioned above by TSO and others tractor weight, wheel base and width along with hydraulic pressure, cylinder size, front axle capacity and geometry all come into play for loader ratings.

If you need to regularly move a certain weight, in this case round bales, then I agree the loader lift capacity needs to be 30 to 50% higher than your regularly moved weight/round bale. Plus to get a better look at the tractor's ability to move round bales I would add in the weight of the loader and front bucket/fork set up. That will give you a much more accurate picture of the tractor's ability to move your round bales.

In my case the tractor spec sheet lists my tractor at about 4300 lbs plus about 1100 lbs for the loader (that doesn't include the bucket by the way), no weight listed for the bucket and in my case an added tooth bar. My tractor scales out at 6400 lbs with a full fuel tank and easily handles round bales. Just something else to consider.

How much value do you place on how much you like one dealer over the other? I much prefer the Kubota dealer to the LS dealer with regards to the salesperson, but I'm going to check another LS dealer tomorrow. Right now, I'm leaning towards one of the LS XR's and just fixing my old tractor at some point and selling it outright. The idea of trading it in as-is is tempting due to my plate being extremely full as it is, but $4,000 seems low, thoughts?

I wouldn't buy from anyone I didn't like. That being said, if your not handy with tools you need to be sure and have a good full service dealer that's going to be there for you. I would definitely sell my old tractor outright and probably get a better price for it even though it will take more of your time.

I just went through looking for and buying a tractor. The best thing that I can tell you is the same thing most everyone here says and that's get a bigger tractor that you think you need. I was originally looking at the LS 3000 and 3100 series. I listened to the advice given on this forum and I wound up with a LS 4100 series and couldn't be happier.

The one thing that I would add to the TBN advice is get a cab on whatever tractor you choose if there is any way you can possibly afford it. Especially if your going to blow snow and need to feed round bales in the winter.