LX410 4 years and 875hrs later

   / LX410 4 years and 875hrs later
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#11  
Tractor is always parked inside either a covered shed, or my shop (mostly) with roll up door. I have very little equipment that sides outside, learned a long time ago cover extends life a lot. I think the hoses are simply cheap. The replacements from local hose shop appear to be a much better hose, just based on thickness of material. Hoses failed at points they weren't rubbing on anything.....they simply 'blew' out.

No, I haven't kept Yanmar informed lately. Back when I had only a hundred or so hours, a team of Japanese engineers came out to the farm from a visit they were on to the dealership. I gave them a 4 page list (with sketches and suggestions) of things they could do to make a good tractor a great tractor, and I got zero feedback from anyone at Yanmar, so my thinking is they really don't give a flip about user opinion....which is a shame....because as I said, it's a good tractor, and with a small effort, it could be a GREAT tractor....and they'd build a following. Apparently they've allowed American 'throw away' thinking to infect them.
 
   / LX410 4 years and 875hrs later
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#12  
Update:

Turns out, it was NOT the little fuel booster pump. (guess I've got a spare now, huh ?)

What it takes to stop my Yanmar DEAD IN IT'S TRACKS is a small wasp.

The intermittent fuel issue came back. Fuel in the tank was down to about 1/4, and driving along, it stopped dead again. I got it back to the shop, and let it run, got off, sat on a bucket behind the tractor, and REALLY watched the fuel bowl under the left fender. I could actually SEE the fuel being sucked out of the bowl, the level dropping...then it would raise some, then drop, and finally when it dropped enough (tractor at fast idle), it will kill the engine from fuel starvation.

OK....SOMETHING is in the dang tank. Took the line off.....fuel just dripped. Stuck a small screwdriver up in the tank nipple....fuel gushed....apparently I moved whatever was over the fuel outlet to one side, and fuel ran. So, I'm thinking the tank HAS to come off. PITA job....fender plastic has to be loosened and raised among other things to get the tank out they way they have it tucked in under it....couple hour job at least. So I left the tank dribbling fuel out of another hose I put on the tank outlet into a fuel can, and intended to come back in the morning to remove the tank.

BUT, I laying in bed at midnight, and thought some more....hey...I've got a Rigid brand inspection camera for looking behind walls/etc I bought not too long ago....let me try that. Jumped up out of bed at midnight (wifes says 'are you nuts ?')(40+ years, you'd think she would know, huh ?) and went to the shop. Got the camera snake in the tank, down on the fuel outlet from the inside, and sure enough, I could see "something" off to one side of the fuel hole. Couldn't tell exactly what it was, other than it looked like something with wings. The screen on the camera is only about 3" square, so it ain't exactly HD quality.

Got a set of long, flexible 'grabber' tongs I have and using the camera and the tongs, I managed to get it grasped in the tong fingers and pull it up out of the tank filler port hole. Fortunately, the tank filler hole and the fuel outlet hole are both on the same side of the tank. Out came a small, black wasp.....very small....not a stinger type, but small than them. We call them 'dirt daubber' wasps here.....they build long, mud nests and pact them full of spiders for their hatching young to feed on until they eat their way out the end of the nest. They LOVE any kind of little hole to build in....the ground hole on an electrical receptacle for example....or leave an air tool out in the shop, and you'll find they filled up the air quick connect with mud/wasp eggs..you hook air to the tool and absolutely NOTHING happens.....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..... If you don't have this cursed things in your region of the world, consider yourself BLESSED.

Brought it back up to the house on a paper towel, and showed it to my wife, who was less than impressed with my discovery, to say the least....ahahahaaaaaaa....."go to bed, you old fool"....

Only way I can figure it got in the tank is it MUST have been in my fuel hose nozzle from my diesel tank, because the cap is never off the tractor tank except to fill, and the diesel tank has a 10 micron filter between the tank and the hose....so the hose nozzle is the only point I can think of....wasp must have gotten in the nozzle, died, and I flushed him and fuel into the tank when I filled it at some point. Did I mention they LOVE to check out any kind of hole for nest building ?

ONE tiny wasp folks....that's it. Nothing else in the tank. I used the camera to go all over it. Last time this happened, while under warranty and it drove the dealer nuts too, it was a couple of plastic shaving 'spirals', like from the tank molding or drilling the fuel outlet (and the return on the other side) would together along with some small trash that did the exact same thing.....floated over the fuel outlet and blocked enough fuel flow that the tractor died in the middle of running.

You'd THINK some kind of filter up in the tank you could pull out from below would be in order, huh ?

SURELY I can't be the only one this has happened to twice now ?????

I'm sure wide open for a suggestion on how to modify the tank for an in-tank filter !

I found EXACTLY what the tank needs in the form of a fitting with a screen that goes up in the tank that was used on some older model Ford tractors at the tractor dealer....but it had 3/8" or 1/2" male pipe threads that were clearly meant to go on a female pipe thread hole in the tank on that model....and I can't figure a way to use it on the Yanmar plastic tank....but it was the perfect design.....removable, cleanable filter about 1/2" in diameter x 2" long sticks up inside the tank to screen out any large crap from blocking fuel flow....GREAT IDEA....now how to put one on a plastic tank ??

Even a larger fitting on the tank (1/4" is what's on there) with a large hose to the fuel bowl would probably work....anything to let enough diameter flow/trash to allow flow TO the filter on the bowl would do the trick.

So far, I can't come up with a fix. But I'm SURE glad I bought that Rigid camera !! (had to track down a blockage in our house central vacuum line) That saved hours of tank R&R, plus I STILL might not have gotten out what the problem was !....or believed that was it, even if I had seen it flush out of the tank ! With the tank in place, and the outlet blocked right now, the wasp was sitting right next to the fuel outlet hole where I'd moved it aside with the screwdriver.....so I knew that was the problem. Kudos to a $79 Rigid camera !
 
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   / LX410 4 years and 875hrs later #13  
Are you saying the fuel has to drain down through a small hole at bottom of tank? As you say, what ever dirt is on bottom will eventually want to go down or over that hole. That must be reason automotive/truck tanks have a pickup device that siphons fuel slightly off the bottom of the tank. Trash can just stay there forever. Less likely to clog than draining through small hole at bottom. Thanks for sharing this. My 1965 Dexta drained like that and it would stop up all the time. I just loosened the fitting at bottom of tank and blew on it with my mouth, and drove on after priming the diesel (pain in the butt, but got quick at it just learning the exact process over time.

I bet there are many people who have had this trouble and perhaps after all sorts of diagnostics and parts replacement got back rollin without ever knowing what went on. I will be a little more savy with mine now that you posted.

I hope Yanmar jumps on this chance to increase the reliability. They probably do not want to hear about it.
 
   / LX410 4 years and 875hrs later
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Are you saying the fuel has to drain down through a small hole at bottom of tank?

Yep....that's it EXACTLY. They drilled the tank at the lowest point, stuck a 1/4" fitting in it, and called it good. My guess is that's where the plastic drill shavings (spirals) came from the first time I had this problem when it was new.

Actually they did it on left and right side of the tank, the right side being the fuel return from the injector pump if the booster pump has sent more fuel forward than the engine can use at the time.

Based on my several contacts with Yanmar, I doubt they will jump on anything. Their attitude seems to be "well thanks for your comments, and have a nice day" and keep right on doing what they were doing. Shame....because it's basically a good tractor....just seems they aren't interested in making it a great tractor.
 
   / LX410 4 years and 875hrs later #15  
sounds like a dumb fuel tank design where the tiniest bit of improvement would produce great results.
One thing I did not read/hear anything negative about was the engine itself. Good thing. Yanmar built a lot of small John Deeres
I believe, and their engine is in my JD X750 garden tractor. I have a lot of experience with Yanmars in boats, and if the cooling system is maintained
religiously, the engines are simply outstanding. So at least I would expect you to have a really primo engine in your tractor, even if some other little things should be fixed. Which really is how it is with all tractors.

Most of the problems I have with my equipment are usually operator error. If I catch a hydraulic line on a tree limb, that's my fault, not the tractor.
But if it blows at 50 hours while trying to pick up a load of dirt from a pile, well that tractor manufacturer needs to either improve the spec for that hose or ensure the subcontractor QC is better. I wonder if that hose was ever pressure tested? Should a hose be? I'm sure yes for critical safety applications, but if a full bucket comes crashing down on a slope I would sure consider that pretty unsafe...
The age old question "who is minding the store" sure comes to play for both the tractor mfg and the hose supplier.

Yanmar then went on to build "Cub" SCUTS; you would think they would have aggregated an awful lot of engineering knowhow by now.
My kingdom for a proper fuel pickup...
and a fanbelt with some Kevlar in it.

I always considered my Kubota to be a little "light weight" compared for sure to a Mahindra and maybe even a Deere or Kioti.
I would consider the Yanmar to be similar; for example, not a machine one would normally assume worked at logging trees in the woods for a living.
More of a high tech machine than a super heavy duty one. When Yanmar engines first started coming out in boats and crushed the 3000 rpm line for diesels, most of us thought they were nickel rockets. Yet they have turned out to be superb engines. Just keep the cooling system maintained. Probably good advice for their tractors too since they seem to have a corporate mentality. One that doesn't seem to appreciate user feedback...

Andy I just love you jumping out of bed at midnight in that classic "AHA" moment. Quick, before I forget...
 
   / LX410 4 years and 875hrs later
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Andy I just love you jumping out of bed at midnight in that classic "AHA" moment. Quick, before I forget...

I actually keep a pencil/pad beside the bed, as I find I do my best thinking while asleep.....ahahahaaa...

I've already made a bunch of small changes/improvements to my Yanmar (see other threads in this sub-forum), I guess the tank will have to be one more. I don't look for Yanmar to improve their designs.
 

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