M7040 glow plugs

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#11  
I don't quite understand the trick for making your glow plugs come on. Are you cranking for 10 seconds, then quitting, and starting a 2nd time? On my tractor it is totally manual, and yes, say it was 20F overnight but warmed up to the mid 30's around lunch time, I'm definitely gonna hit the glow plugs before cranking, so I see why this frustrates you.

Only aware of this trick working with shuttle shift. On the shuttle when you place it in the forward position it will not start. You think it's doing nothing.... except for this behind the covers of actvating the glow plugs.
 
   / M7040 glow plugs #12  
Only aware of this trick working with shuttle shift. On the shuttle when you place it in the forward position it will not start. You think it's doing nothing.... except for this behind the covers of actvating the glow plugs.

Ok, got it. Maybe that was a mistake by Kubota, but if it works....
 
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#13  
Per WMONROE request...here are couple of videos. I will admit I think part of the crank problems is an undersized battery, but when the glow plugs work like they should, that undersized battery starts it just fine. I hope these work ok, it was really a slow process getting these to photobucket, and that website seems to have some kind of response issue as I was uploading.

First, cold start. 29 degrees outside of barn 44 degrees inside.



2nd video, using the trick to activate the glow plugs before start.

 
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I can guarantee you my M7040 at 29 degrees would have been running by your tractors 2nd GRUNT in 1st video. I think you either have a dragging starter or a weak battery. My M7040 is an '11 model with 933 hrs on the meter & original battery.
 
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You may be right....BUT...it started on 2nd crank with the trick glow plug activation. Shows how important the glow plugs are, and in my opinion, shows that this M7040 should be activating those glow plugs without the trick.

Would a dragging starter or a weak battery start in the manner it did in the 2nd video?

BTW once warmed up, the tractor starts like the 2nd video without the trick.
 
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You make good points, my L3540 glow plugs would come on even in the heat of summer, time duration was shorter in the summer. my F350 comes on before first start everyday after the engine is warm it does not come one again.
 
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Another thought I just had is I wonder if inj pump is timed correctly. The grunt-grunt-grunt starting when engine is cold IMHO is not the glow plugs fault but weak battery,bad cable connection,dragging starter or inj pump timing.This idea is coming from my diagnostic experience as a former dealer service manager for many years.
 
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I agree it seems odd. BUT.... what's happening with this trick (which claims to activate the glow plugs) to make the cranking change? And it cranks like that only first start of the day.

I've removed all cables and cleaned them. Yes battery is undersized... 750cca and specs says it should be 900cca....BUT why does this trick completely change it.
 
   / M7040 glow plugs #19  
Hello, I have a 2012 M7040 and for some reason, Kubota decided to make the glow plug heating system a totally automatic process. They went to a lot of trouble to install a temperature sending unit switch in the right rear of the engine block, but it does not come on until 32 degrees Fahrenheit.
The Problem: If the engine water temperature is below 32 degrees (whether this is the first start up of the day or the tenth, the glow plug timer will come on which will trip the glow plug energizer relay and the tractor will start right up. If the engine block water temperature is 35 degrees for example, then it almost won't start (very slow and very hard cranking). It's not necessarily a bad battery and it isn't that the cables are bad, it's the fact that the glow plugs have not activated. A terribly short sighted engineering design on the part of the Kubota electrical engineers. They fixed a problem that was not there. On the older manually operated Kubota glow plug systems, you manually rotated the ignition switch to the left until the glow plug indicator came on and then you rotated to the start position and started the engine easily. That is not the case here on the 2012 model.
As an aside, a response to an earlier thread response, the glow plugs do help crank the engine by default. When the cold diesel fuel hits the hot glow plugs, the fuel immediately ignites and the pistons then begin to "push" the crankshaft actually aiding the "push" by the starter motor, thus increasing the speed of rotation, making it much easier for the engine to start.
I have two possible solutions that I would like to run by you guys:
They all have in common a momentary on switch that you can pick up at any boat supplies store or electrical house. It's brass with a black push button in the center. The way that it would work is that you would:
1) mount the momentary on switch in the side of the cowling and run two wires down to the engine block temperature sending switch and then solder the 2 wires to the wiring harness wires just before they connect to the terminals on the temp switch. The wires look very tiny and fragile and they may be very difficult to solder. The system would still retain the automatic function, but could be activated manually as needed.

2)Mount the momentary on switch in the cowling- then remove the cowling and solder the wires on to the timing switch, which would allow the system to remain automatic, but would still be able to be activated as needed. Harder to access the wires under the cowling though.


I realize that there more of possible wiring combinations that would work, but not all glow plugs are the same. They can start at different voltages, and then the voltage can actually be can actually be changed with a variable resistor as it is heating up. This the Kubota Engineers will have worked out and so I would shy away from altering the system there without knowing more particulars.

I would like to hear your ideas on this problem
 
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Have you tried activating the glow plugs manually in the manner I described in this thread? I manually activate mine all the time, and get an immediate start.
 

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