Made a boo-boo, what to do??

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jcmseven

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To all, I will keep this post as brief as I can. My wife and I live about 2 hours from my parents. My folks are 80 (father) and 76 (mother). My mother appears and acts younger than she is; my father has diabetes, heart disease and mild dementia, but still is able to drive (safely, during the day) and remains active at home and still "works" part time--i.e., the group he sold his business to allows him to come some during the week and hang around the office. My parents have two places. One, my formative homeplace, has about 1.5-2 acres of grass and is flat and pretty easy to mow. The other, is in the NW NC mountains and has only 1/2 acre of grass but 15 acres total property and a large home and long service driveway of about 1/2 mile leading into it. They have two lovely places, but clearly struggle to keep both going given my father's frail health.

Over the years my father and I have both enjoyed working in the yard and doing things on the property. My work schedule has prevented me from doing as much of it as I wish, but I regularly visit my folks and during pretty months often help by cutting the grass, etc. Last year, of the 30-40 mowings done, I did about 20 of them. My dad has an old Gravely tractor which we have had since 1982 (I was 13). It has over 2000 hours on it and now does not run well and is in need of significant refurbishing to keep it going. Therefore, last year I bought my dad (after paying for the previous year to have their lawn professionally mowed) an X360 lawn tractor. I did this because my mother said my dad was "itching" to mow again and they did not like depending on me or a professional mower to do their lawn. My mom split the cost of the machine with me. My dad mowed with it some and complained that it "did not cut like the Gravely"; a machine that at the time did not run and with which he almost set their home on fire trying to ether start. I began again doing their lawn and though the 360 was a nice little machine, it was too slow for me to mow for my folks and my elderly (84 yo) aunt, who mows about 4 acres weekly. After discussion with my dad, I traded the 360 for a 950 ZTR which I planned to keep at my folks. I debated the wisdom of this even at that time but my logic was that if I were to do 50%+ of the mowing and mow my aunt's place regularly also it would be best to have something faster. My dad was certainly able to use it still on their flat lawn, though it likely would not be as safe (i.e, slow) for him as a 360. My friend, who mows professionally, had a 757 so I figured he could also use it if my folks needed help and I was not around. In addition, I have had a feeling for some time now that my father's days of being able to safely use a mower of any type are pretty limited, if not already there. He refuses to stop trying and I do not blame him for that.

Once the machine was bought and put into their garage, I soon received a very angry call from my mother who said I had "to take the machine back." My father had denied that he had anything to do with a trade (I had asked him) which is common for him to avoid the ire of the Mrs. I since, to appease my dad's desire to "have a mower with a steering wheel" sent my personal 2320 down to their home, taped it into "a" range and added a 54d mower deck for it. My dad, though it is winter, happily putters around their yard on it and can operate it fine--on flat ground. I do not, however, believe it to be safer for him as it is a large machine with some degree of power.

The problem, after this novel, is that I still have the 950 that I do not know what to do with. I love mowing with that machine. It is fast, cuts great and is fun to use. I have a lot of property at my place, but no real lawn as we live in the mountains on a hillside. The only reason I can see keeping it is if I truly believe my father's mowing days are numbered and that I will be struck with the job of mowing even more regularly or having my friend do it for us; and if I continue to mow for my aging aunt who spends two days cutting her lawn with her old Wheel Horse if I cannot. She is on a very limited income and I am doing financially OK so I do all this mowing pro bono (for ice tea). My wife and I have good income, but we like everyone else, are watching our expense these days. I have been surprised with how I have enjoyed mowing with the 2320, but I feel one of these machines needs to go and I am not sure which. While we can certainly afford but, I wonder about using the profits of one being sold to invest or do some home improvements at MY house. Though I would love to keep them both for now, I do not feel good about keeping two high-end machines, neither of which see much use. What are the thoughts, and bear in mind when answering I am one who enjoys doing lawn work and mowing, when my time allows so I would prefer not to contract it out until I absolutely must?? Thanks.

John M
 
   / Made a boo-boo, what to do?? #2  
I understand your dilemma completely John. Lots of issues floating around in that circumstance. Allocation of your time, what to do with an underutilized mower, and family comity.

The only advice of any value is what you already know - to be very careful with an 80-year old driving a tractor of that size.

Good luck.
 
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Keep the mower, you will be mowing the lawns by yourself in short order. I take care of everything around our place and sadly have to say it is likely your dad will not be able to mow much longer. It would cost you too much to have to buy again in a couple of years. There will also be added things you will want to do for them to help out with everyday living. This will further reduce the time available to mow the lawn.

You have been around the block I am sure and know that trading up and down is too costly.
 
   / Made a boo-boo, what to do?? #4  
jcmseven, you're not alone in having to deal with the complexities and challenges of aging parents.

Having been through it on one side, and anticipating the challenges from the other side, I can only say that those that can deal with it, readily stand up to such challenges. Considering the challenges I provided my parents, hey, it's the least I can do in reply.

I guess that's what our parents wanted (want?) us to do...which is the right thing.

Good luck.:)
 
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Keep the mower! You have already proven you are not a dead-beet son towards your parents with all you are currently doing. As Steve said in so many words, those tasks/responsibilities are likely to increase in time, effectivley leaving less time for mowing.

:2cents:
 
   / Made a boo-boo, what to do?? #6  
There's one issue that you've probably addressed in your head, but haven't expressly written in your posting... since you split the cost of the X360 with your mother, where does she see her "investment" now? I know how much a mower deck for the 2320 costs - pretty darn near the cost of the trade value of an X360! But, I doubt she sees it that way. So, it would seem to me - looking from the outside - that there's a risk of conflict over the 2320. The more time he's on it and it lives at their house, the more mom will think it's half hers!

I say, keep the mower. The age of the thing has little to do with its value compared to the number of hours on it. So, it's not like it's worth a lot more now to sell in the spring than it will be 2 years from now - if you haven't used it at all by then, well, then you're putting off the pain of trade value/selling privately. But, at least you won't have to go out in 2 years to buy it all over again.

I also suggest you get mom to hound dad to use the seatbelt. Doubt you'll have a lot of luck with that! But, I do believe he's a lot safer on the 2320 with a roll bar, seatbelted, than he is on any of the other machines on slopes. Granted, the x360 probably couldn't go uphill to steeply before losing traction, but certainly could going downhill. The 2320 - although more powerful - strikes me as the best alternative.
 
   / Made a boo-boo, what to do??
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Thanks for the posts so far. They are all very helpful to me and I appreciate this insight. BX Owner, you are right about my mom. She has asked me more than once for her money back, even after dad had the 2320 parked at the house. Dad is pretty good about putting on his seatbelt, so no real worries there. It has all the safety gear of the others with the rollbar. I offered to give my mom her money back before getting the 2320 outfitted for dad. She declined at that time but has been hinting ever since. At this point, since he has a nicer machine permanently at their place I am less prone to reimburse her. Over the years my mom and I have gone in together of several fairly major purchases for my dad and their home. Without exception, my mom has almost immediately started a process of declaring her poverty and wanting me to pick up the lionshare of the bills. I even bought my own birthday present last year. In retrospect, I should have just done the buy initially and not involved my mom in it, but hindsight is golden. Your point, however, is well-taken and I have thought of the same thing as being a hitch in the overall plan and a likely contributor to angst.

John M
 
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John -

What a drag. You're trying to do your best for your mom and dad. As I am with mine... but the best of intentions can be misinterpreted. The simple answer is there is no answer. In theory, you could reimburse your mom her contribution, but that makes it all about the money - not about the fact you were trying to create a solution to the problem for your parents. My guess is she wouldn't want that anyway. I guess it's just a function of the change that happens as you grow up - they take care of you for a while (during which time you're pretty much thankless)... then roles flip!

So, are you going to keep the mower?

I had another thought about the X360. Your dad complained that the cut quality wasn't as good as the Gravely. Now, you and I and everyone else on this site knows that's a load - there's little doubt a brand new, leveled mower deck on an X360 is going to give about as good a cut quality as a walk-behind. But, to your dad, he probably is noticing all of the plastic! And there's no doubt that a Gravely - with all of that cast iron and steel - gives the illusion of "quality." For the same reasons, I think anything built after 1985 is a piece of ^&*#. Really. Take for example the front door on, say, a rusty 1984 Jeep Grand Wagoneer. Close it. It slams shut with a reassuring thump. Retail value? $1500. Take the door on a 2011, $50,000 BMW/Mercedes/whatever and slam it - I'm not convinced it's actually closed all the way. Chalk it up to a generational gap.
 
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For the moment, I am leaning toward doing nothing. For the first time, I am personally very content with our equipment situation. The 2320 has a box blade and loader and center mount 54 d mower (which it did not need) and we have a 950. This is definite overkill, but knowing and suspecting what is around the pike, at this point so long as I do not become impoverished over the next few months, I likely will just keep it as is. Come spring, I might rethink this, but I really enjoy mowing with that 950. I should mention the 2320 cuts great and I would actually recommend a potential X series buyer to consider one as an alternative. The one I bought has as good a cut as my old 595, which I loved. I have a new 825I for my place, and it serves my needs here just fine. We'll see how the next bit pans out.

John
 
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John, your story brought a touch of tears to my eyes because it recalled the years I spent taking care of my parents and grandmother. (Dad had lasting Guillaume-Barre and mom had Alzheimer's, eventually she was in a nursing home.) I used to haul my JD 112 garden tractor to dad's in the back of my pickup for him to use mowing or snowblowing while I fixed his riding mower. Every snowstorm I'd need to make the 20 minute drive to make sure he could get in and out of his driveway to visit mom, etc.

Anyway, i think your decision to sit tight makes a lot of sense. The bigger question is do you have brothers or sisters or others who will make claims on the equipment (or value thereof) after their passing? My father-in-law and I co-owned some equipment but my mother-in-law was not aware of it and my wife forgot and so I was out $1-$2k after my MIL sold or traded it off after his death. Not a big deal in the greater scheme of things, but worthy of consideration and pre-planning.
 
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John,

Here is your answer:
1) Move down here, buy my place with 25 acres, build your parents a log cabin in the back, let your dad use the gator to have some fun (not too hilly), mow all you want (with all of your mowers) or hire the neighbor to cut the place when you can't, pocket the remaining money (on the sale of y'alls places) and grow hay.
2)Get to know the local JD dealer and how to pronounce "y'all".

PS, turns out my MD is great friends with my JD dealer here too. They were practically brothers living at each others homes growing up.

Merry Christmas!
 
   / Made a boo-boo, what to do?? #12  
My understanding of "who owns what" when someone passes away is that if it is under their control (i.e. on their property) even if they don't own it (stuff with registrations and titles like cars not included) becomes part of their estate. So, for example, if your wife wants her casserole dish back from the previous get-to-gether, you need a written document that says it's her's. :thumbdown: I for one am not doing this.

I'm not an attorney, or even associated with the legal profession (??), but I thought I'd let everyone know my experience. Things may be different in different states as well.
 
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jcmseven, I won't belabor this, but having known your mother and how she is, surely you have learned how to deal with her and what to expect and I have no advice to you on that point; "grin and bear it come to mind." As to your father, Alzheimer's Disease has struck our family and I know what you are and will be going through. Whenever something would happen, my aunt's standby saying was, "just remember, these are the good times", meaning it only gets worse from here and don't sweat it too much.

Accept the fact that you are going to come up short in the end and learn to live with and plan for that. Don't worry about the money if you can afford it and just enjoy the time with your father who one day won't recognize you.

No matter how much you spend, it will not come close to what your parents spent on you and someday if you are lucky enough to live so long will be taken care of by children who watched how you handled all of this.

I cannot emphasize enough the importance of estate planning etc. We have established an LLC with a "Transfer on Death" to our children, this can be done quite easily; living trusts are also an option.

I suspect none of us has said anything you don't already know.
 
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My intent when buying these pieces of machinery is that they are for my parents (aside from my 2320 which I would like to have back at some point, but even it is no big deal if not). I have bought a Gator, 950 and assorted other items for my folks and I have no real desire nor expectation to ever get them back. I am an only child, which is both a blessing and a curse. My folks had a chance to come up and visit us for Christmas and it has begun to truly sink in just how challenged they are right now. My father out of his environment gets very confused and paces the night away, and my mother despite having a background in healthcare, is at a loss about how to handle him. As some have mentioned, my role in their daily life is likely to expand over the next year or so--especially in the upkeep of their homes and property. The problem I have now is, of course, that they are behaving like somewhat like injured animals, they reject help at every chance even though it is crystal clear to myself and their longtime neighbors/friends that they are nearing the end of their true full independence. For this reason and others, I am holding tight for the moment to see what this coming year holds and keep them independent as long as they can be. I love doing lawnwork and this is one area where they on average put up the least fight for help.

John M
 
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As I suggested in my first post you will be maintaining the lawn and alot more very soon. You will have less time to do it in what with the other jobs you will have.

I spend alot of time on TBN because I can do this while living the care giver role. If someone had suggested to me that I would have 3000+ posts in any forum five years ago I would have told them they were nuts.

The next real problem you will have is distance between your home and theirs, this will make the machinery issues pale by comparison. Try to figure out what the best way to handle this issue before it arrives....soon.
 
   / Made a boo-boo, what to do?? #16  
As I suggested in my first post you will be maintaining the lawn and alot more very soon. You will have less time to do it in what with the other jobs you will have.

I spend alot of time on TBN because I can do this while living the care giver role. If someone had suggested to me that I would have 3000+ posts in any forum five years ago I would have told them they were nuts.

The next real problem you will have is distance between your home and theirs, this will make the machinery issues pale by comparison. Try to figure out what the best way to handle this issue before it arrives....soon.

Very good advice; we built a new home and moved when the distance kept us on the road too much and that was a lot of help to everyone. Our jobs were such that we were able to keep them though I had to transfer and my wife had a longer commute. I realize this may not be possible for everyone, but advance planning is needed.
 

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