Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?

   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?
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The issue with using any Weldon shank cutter in a Weldon adapter is ejecting the slug. You have to have somewhere for the slug to go, especially when drilling thick material. Going tp go the low profile drill press vise route with the vise torque secured in side bolsters.

With a low pro drill press vise, the clamp screw is acting on the moveable jaw so the space under the vise will be unobstructed and will allow the slug to drop free. I may set it up so I can also use one of my Kurt milling vises as well. Don't know yet as I need to gather all the stuff to fab it up.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?
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One thing I do notice with the Vevor and that is, the mag base gets pretty warm, pretty fast and I'd be willing to bet that extended use could cause it to fail from the heat produced. Least the drill proper is bolted to the base with socket head capscrews (as is everything else is in SHCS). No hex bolts or slotted head screws on the Vevor. Everything is in SHCS and they actually supply the correct L arm 'Allen' wrenches as well.

Nicely made and very neatly assembled unit. No typical Chinese flash on the castings either and the paint is well applied also. Mine is orange and black and the only plastic on it is the drill motor housing and the fan shroud.

I like Orange anything, anyway. remember I have Kubota tractors....lol Not quite Kubota orange, but close... :p
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use? #13  
One thing I do notice with the Vevor and that is, the mag base gets pretty warm, pretty fast and I'd be willing to bet that extended use could cause it to fail from the heat produced. Least the drill proper is bolted to the base with socket head capscrews (as is everything else is in SHCS). No hex bolts or slotted head screws on the Vevor. Everything is in SHCS and they actually supply the correct L arm 'Allen' wrenches as well.

Nicely made and very neatly assembled unit. No typical Chinese flash on the castings either and the paint is well applied also. Mine is orange and black and the only plastic on it is the drill motor housing and the fan shroud.

I like Orange anything, anyway. remember I have Kubota tractors....lol Not quite Kubota orange, but close... :p
oOh well then you should check out their Orange Drill bit sharpener It should fit right in:)
Nicely made as well.

 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use? #14  
The issue with using any Weldon shank cutter in a Weldon adapter is ejecting the slug. You have to have somewhere for the slug to go, especially when drilling thick material. Going tp go the low profile drill press vise route with the vise torque secured in side bolsters.

With a low pro drill press vise, the clamp screw is acting on the moveable jaw so the space under the vise will be unobstructed and will allow the slug to drop free. I may set it up so I can also use one of my Kurt milling vises as well. Don't know yet as I need to gather all the stuff to fab it up.
Yeah that has been what I have been doing so far is trying to get a drop through point on the X-Y vice. Putting wood under it makes for a smoky end and no where to go for the slug.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use? #15  
I'm happy with mine (variable speed, load sensing motor and reverseable for starting taps). Not happy with the proprietary spindle chucking arrangement however, I called Hougen and the rep told me their Fusion annular cutters will fit and the cutters are all carbide tipped. Either that or the Japanese made annular cutters that are way over the top priced. Hougen sells a 5 piece kit (with ejector pin) for just over 200 bucks and they are SAE unlike the ones Vevor supplied with the mag drill I purchased that are metric and just HSS and not carbide tipped. One advantage of the quick change spindle nose chuck is, the annular cutters run very concentrically, unlike the 2 set screw spindles where the weldon 2 flat shanks can be a bit undersize and that causes them to have runout which causes the drilled hole to be oversize.

I do like the mag holding power, it's really powerful. Vevor has the one I bought on sale presently and besides the 10 piece set of metric annular cutters it came with, it also has a through spindle oil feed for the cutter (though I use Hougen's stick lubricant instead, much less messy) and a Jacobs style chuck with adapter that fits the spindle nose.

I bought a complete set of Chicago Latrobe screw machine length twist drills (much shorter than a standard length ((Jobber length)) drill set on Amazon, its an a-z set plus No.1 to 60 wire sized drills and CL is made in USA as well. Not cheap but good drills and I'll use them in the shop for machining operations as well.

The Hougen as well as the Milwaukee have limited spindle travel which is why I bought the drills in the first place before I even ordered the Vevor but my fears of limited spindle travel when using twist drills or tapping holes (the one I bought is also reverseable for tapping) was unfounded as the Vevor I bought has a unique double dovetail rack and pinion slide arrangement. You loosen the set screw on the side and you can gain an additional 5" of spindle travel to use ordinary jobber length twist drills and I believe the Vevor mag drill is the only one with that feature.

Pretty neat and very innovative. The double dovetail rack and pinion slide is steel and has grease ways milled into it for lubrication plus the one I bought has adjustable gibs on one side to take up any slop that might develop in use. Very thought out machine. Mine has all kinds of power as well and I really like the load sensing electronics built into it. It will bog down when pushed but instantly recovers power and resumes the speed you set on the side mounted speed control.

Only drawback for me is the metric annular cutters and they aren't carbide tipped (which stay sharp much longer than HSS cutters do) but I'll be ordering the 5 annular cutter SAE Fusion set from Hougen shortly as they will fit the quick change spindle nose (according to my conversation with them yesterday). All in all, compared to a Hougen or a Milwaukee, it's a helluva bargain and comes with stuff that neither offer as well, especially the extended travel spindle.

Have a job coming up where I'll be drilling and tapping holes in a vertical section of steel and I'll be using the Vevor for that.

I have a drill similar to the one pictured in the previous post with the 'buddy' handles, it's a Makita corded one and I almost got my arms broken when the drill grabbed in the bottom of a hole, not pleasant and I had sore arms for a couple days. I can eliminate that with the mag drill entirely and drilling with large diameter silver and demming twist drills (holes over 1/2" is a very tiresome deal anyway because with a twist drill even a sharp one, you must remove ALL the metal in the hole which takes a long time and a lot of manual effort), whereas, using an annular cutter, you only remove the outer 1/8" or so of material and the pin inside the cutter pushes the 'slug' out, why they are called 'slugger' cutters. Much easier to deal with when drilling large diameter holes by a long shot. d

Despite the unique securement arrangement of the spindle nose and the fact it's made in China, I like mine and the Hougen Fusion cutters make the SAE workaround doable.

The mag has wicked holding power and all the features like variable speed and load sensing as well as the reverse feature make it a tremendous buy and I'm glad I bought it.

Next on the agenda is buying the cheapest HF bench drill press and stripping it and fabricating up a table to mount the Vevor on it so I can use it in the shop as a drill press. I see HF has a cheapo drill press for under 100 bucks. I'll be getting one soon. All I really need from it is the column and lower table. I'll fab an upper table for the mag drill so I can mount it (magnetized) on the upper table and bolt guides on the lower table so I can affix a drill press vise to it and I'll be in business. At that point, I'll sell my floor drill press as it won't be needed anymore.

It's a nice and well cared for Craftsman 16 speed with an adjustable lower table, depth stop and 110 volt Baldor motor on it. Comes with a taper mount 1/2" capacity Jacobs chuck and built in work lamp as well plus I'll throw in a Palmgren angle adjustable cross slide drill press vise. The vise alone is worth what I'm asking for the drill press.

All cast iron and has a triple ball bearing spindle as well. Someone offers me 300 bucks, it's theirs but be apprised, it's heavy as in a couple hundred pounds. Even have 4 sets of spare belts for it.
Is this the one you bought? VEVOR Magnetic Drill 1400W 2922lbf/13000N Portable Mag Drill Press 810RPM | VEVOR US

The Vevor website is confusing to me. One thing is the variations in the mag drills they sell. The other is the search tool didn't turn up annual cutters, but turned up Weldon cutters?

Seems to get expensive spending $348.99 for the mag drill + $200 to get SAE quick attach cutters if that's what this discussion is about. For paid work that may be justified, but perhaps I need to go the economy route.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?
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oOh well then you should check out there Orange Drill bit sharpener It should fit right in:)
Nicely made as well.
I have and have watched the Tublecan (think that is his screen name on YT) and his glowing review of it. I have a professional Darex tool room drill grinder now and it was super expensive, though I purchased it at a machinery auction pretty cheap. It's pretty expensive even on Vevor, I like the one with the huge assortment of ER collets actually but I'm pretty good (patting myself on the back as well) at offhand sharpening. My dad taught me when I was a snot nosed kid way back when and I still offhand sharpen all my larger diameter twist drills, even today but at my age and eyesight, the smaller ones (under 1/8") are the buggers to dress, especially when relieving the webs. In fact, I still offhand sharpen all the drills for the mechanics at the shop I retired from as none of them have that skill and it's really more hand coordination than skill anyway. They bugger up drills, big time as well. I guess they feel when they quit cutting to just push harder and make more oil smoke.... least they are all good quality drills, no Chinese or HF crap drills with them. All Cleveland Twist or Triumph or CL, the company must give them a drill allowance. Get them by the box full usually and all S&D reduced shank drills too. They drill a lot of frames and cross members. I like the big ones because I can actually see the ends and flutes and lands and etc., :giggle: Where I get all my Detroit Diesel Anerobic sealant and my starting batteries as well as all my washer fluid and antifreeze. I get a very substantial discount on all the parts I buy there, one hand washes the other, so to speak. I get employee discount plus 25% and employee discount is 5% over cost. Not a bad deal for sharpening dull drills.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use? #17  
Have you looked at Jancy Mag drills and cutters? I believe they were bought by Fein as labeled as such now. But are wonderful mag drills along with the annular cutters!
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?
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Is this the one you bought? VEVOR Magnetic Drill 1400W 2922lbf/13000N Portable Mag Drill Press 810RPM | VEVOR US

The Vevor website is confusing to me. One thing is the variations in the mag drills they sell. The other is the search tool didn't turn up annual cutters, but turned up Weldon cutters?

Seems to get expensive spending $348.99 for the mag drill + $200 to get SAE quick attach cutters if that's what this discussion is about. For paid work that may be justified, but perhaps I need to go the economy route.
Your choice and it's ANNULAR cutter, not annual cutter but really not relevant in any case.

I own and operate a short run machine and fabrication shop plus play at farming and agitate my wife as well (she likes it) and have 2 full time employees so anything I buy is a business expense anyway and I would have bought the Hougen or the Milwaukee but the siren song of price plus the features swayed me and I didn't pay nearly that much for mine anyway. Bought it mid year, last year and I believe I paid around 325 bucks delivered and Vevor paid the freight. The Hougen's are well over a grand and so are the Milwaukee's. You have to factor in inflation and look at what gas and groceries cost today and with the current mess in the Red Sea and the Houthi's bombing container ships. container insurance has went through the roof plus their cost of diesel to run the ships so that all factors into the price of imported goods and those drills all come in via overseas containers. The tooth fairy isn't bringing them here.... Ships are diverting around the tip of Africa now so the cost goes up as the distance increases substantially.

Heck, I just bought a Shop Saber 5 x 13 CNC plasma table for 35 grand plus 1500 bucks shipping and I still had to add a new plasma cutter to it for an additional 1600 bucks. Bought the table because my lead time on cut parts was getting out of hand and I have work I can cut for customers anyway. Least I already had the air compressors and condensation dryers to run it. I saved my pennies and paid cash for it. I'm frugal when it comes to financing anything, don't like it.

In reality the mag drill is still a good price when you factor in all the features like the extendable double quill assembly and the load sensing electronics. You won't get that with a Hougen or a Milwaukee and both are well in the excess of what the Vevor costs.

Your choice and your dime, not mine. It's a quality and well built machine. Even I was impressed when I received it and it ships in a box that looks like it would survive a direct bomb hit unlike most Chinese stuff that comes wrapped in rice paper and is beat up. Not this one.

Other than the HSS metric, no carbide tipped cutters which I found to be less than stellar but work aroundable, I'm impressed and I don't believe 200 bucks for a set of American made (made right here in Michigan) cutters in SAE is over the top at all. Not with $4.50 a gallon gas and steak over 10 bucks a pound and lets not even discuss tractor prices either.

Just reshod one of my M9000's with 4 new Trelleborg radial R1's to the tune of 6 grand. It's all relative to me and so long as I have the money, I'll buy it. When I don't, I don't. Real black and white for me.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?
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Have you looked at Jancy Mag drills and cutters? I believe they were bought by Fein as labeled as such now. But are wonderful mag drills along with the annular cutters!
Jancy annular cutters won't fit my mag drill, in fact 99% won't fit because the cutters are Weldon shank 0.750 +-" diameter like all of them are but, the mag drill I have with the quick change 1/2 turn nosepiece will only accept 3/4" Weldon shank cutters with a milled slot running vertically on 3 sides and a ball milled radius at the end of the slot where the nosepiece indexes into. Only ones that are suitable are the Hougen Fusion annular cutters and the Japanese ones and the Japanese cutters are way over the top expensive.

I do like the half turn quick attach and detach nosepiece because the spring loaded balls index in the milled radius' and the milled in slots align the cutter and eliminate any runout and been my experience that manufacturing tolerances on Weldon shank cutters is such that any slop between the drill spindle arbor and the cutter itself equates into runout and oval holes and the breakage of the cutters as well. Normal spindles secure the cutters via 2 allen 'hex head' set screws and that in itself acerbates the runout issue if the shank of the cutter isn't within a 10th or 2 of the inner diameter of the spindle itself and from experience with annular cutters in the shop, that don't hold true as I use them in my vertical mills for large hole boring with a Weldon to R8 or Cat 50 adapter. The more mating parts you have the more runout you get. Fact of machine shop life.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?
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I bought the cheaper version Vevor (MD40) a couple years ago and like it. Although it isn't something that gets used frequently, it's a very handy tool for a homeowner. At work we had a few Hougens and I think a DeWalt. My drill and cutters all came from Amazon and aren't anything special. I've poked 1" holes through 1" plate lickety split.

As mentioned, accurately locating holes is easy. A couple places the mag drill has come in handy were poking a 1" hole in a piece of flat bar. The one picture below shows a Rube Goldberg mount using the receiver on the loader bucket to hold a 2x2 tube with a metal plate etc. all clamped together. The other shows the drill on a metal plate that we clamped to a post at the BIL's barn. He needed 6 or 8 holes through the wood post with some precision so the through-bolted equipment could use a pre-drilled steel plate on both sides of the post.
Hard to beat for vertical drilling or overhead drilling for that matter. The one I have has a safety interlock between the magnet switch and the drill motor switch so you cannot turn on the drill unless the magnet is energized and vice versa so drilling overhead is less dangerous. You don't want a 15 pound drill dropping on your head, least I don't. The one I have comes with a safety strap as well but I've never used it as the magnet has tremendous gripping power. In fact, I've tried to move it when magged onto steel plate and no way can I move it at all. I read somewhere that the magnetic force is equal to the weight of a Toyota Corolla. I don't use mine all that much but when I do, it's a Godsend. Once I buy the cheap HF drill press and fab up the mag drill mount, I will use it a whole lot more and it's not my idea actually. One of the posters on the Welding Web fabbed up one and I'm going to copy his and sell my floor drill press, which I don't use much anyway. I'd rather use one of the vertical mills to drill or bore holes with and they have power down feed as well as mist coolant on them. If I require a rather large diameter bored hole, I'll use a boring head and a single point carbide insert tool. I can set the power downfeed and walk away and let the machine do the work while I do something else.
 

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