Mahindra dies after turning it on its side

[tstex]

I would call your dealer and ask them in what order you should troubleshoot. The guys here seem to always be knowledgeable so you have some initial things to try. But, the main thing is you are ok...getting rolled over or pinned down would have been horrible.

Anytime something would not start for me, it was either fuel or battery related. Since this did take a tumble, checking anything that holds fluid would be a great idea. If any possibility of mixing, I would drain and change.

Good luck and keep us posted...

 

[CalG]

IF, the engine is "stuck and won't turn over", it's gonna be a bear to purge the fuel system.

 

[ruffdog]

Even forged rods will bend under the power of a starter and a hydrolock. That doesn't mean the engine didn't roll through the hydrolock or it won't start. Does it also have valve/head/cyl damage which is allowing coolant into the combustion area? I think it is time to at least check compression. That will definitely show mechanical damage.

 

[Bill Guenthner]

I don,t know much about your specific tractor, but before trying to turn it over again, remove the injectors, or spark plugs, cause it might be you have fuel or oil above the top of the pistons, and you cannot compress that, so your engine will not turn over. Hopefully you didn,t bend any rods already. Once you have removed all the injectors or plugs, try turning the engine over and see if it will spin.

Ditto this. Any time you turn an ICE on it’s side you’re going to get fluid in one or more cylinders.

 

[ranchito]

Should not need repeating, but with high pressure lines disconnected, fuel sprayed onto skin can be lethal. Cover the exposed lines with rags to contain the fuel spray.

 

[BleedingOrange]

Have you checked the condition of your battery ? Does it still have fluid in it ? Take it out of the tractor, and do a load test on it, after giving it a full fluid check, and charge.

 

[deezler]

All you guys are suggesting hydrolock while ignoring the fact that it ran for a short while, meaning all cylinders operated normally and cranked over just fine. And it still cranks, just doesn't stay running.

Probably as simple as air in the fuel system, is my vote.

 

[dodge man]

It could have been hydrolocked, started and bent a rod and now isn’t running correctly.

 

[sea2summit]

All you guys are suggesting hydrolock while ignoring the fact that it ran for a short while, meaning all cylinders operated normally and cranked over just fine. And it still cranks, just doesn't stay running.

Probably as simple as air in the fuel system, is my vote.

If it wasn’t burning one or more cylinders with his description of the smoke I think hydrolock is a very real possibility…especially if he’s since tried to run it and it and it won’t/stops abruptly when he stops turning the starter. Either way every time he hits the starter now he’s probably making whatever the problem is worse.

 

[deezler]

Sure, but if it turns over fine, it should still be able to stay running, i would think.

 

[Woodstock Walt]

Sure, but if it turns over fine, it should still be able to stay running, i would think.

It doesn't turn over fine, most recently it makes half a revolution and stops. It hasn't run at all since it's been upright. He turned it upright, let it sit for a few days, turned it over and it made a few revolutions, blew some smoke, then stopped. Now it won't turn over. Sounds an awful lot like hydrolock or at least damage caused by hydrolock.

Edit: Looking back at the original post, you may be on to something Deezler. If it actually did run for a few seconds, it could be possible that the lines are air bound and the battery is dead, compounding the symptoms to make it seem like a worse problem than it actually is. Regardless, I apologize for discrediting your theory.

 

[CalG]

It doesn't turn over fine, most recently it makes half a revolution and stops. It hasn't run at all since it's been upright. He turned it upright, let it sit for a few days, turned it over and it made a few revolutions, blew some smoke, then stopped. Now it won't turn over. Sounds an awful lot like hydrolock or at least damage caused by hydrolock.

Edit: Looking back at the original post, you may be on to something Deezler. If it actually did run for a few seconds, it could be possible that the lines are air bound and the battery is dead, compounding the symtoms to make it seem like a worse problem than it actually is. Regardless, I apologize for discrediting your theory.

This is the description in the original post

quote]
Once upright, I let the tractor sit for 5 days and replaced the oil filter, air filter, and refilled with the recommended oil (can't remember if 5W40 or 15W40). The engine took an entire gallon of new oil.

After the filter replacements and new oil, I started the tractor. For about 3 seconds a lot of white smoke came out of the exhaust. A few seconds later, the smoke turned gray and the engine cut off. When I try to restart, the engine tries to start but only makes one short attempt to fire up but stops abruplty and doesn't turn over. {end quote}

Have events changed? "I Started the tractor", for about 3 seconds ..white smoke, a few seconds later the smoke turned gray and the engine cut off"

Sounds like the engine ran for at least 5 seconds.. that would be about 100 revolutions, The engine is toast...or it's not.

A bent rod could allow the engine to turn over and not start or run. A cracked head/water jacket could have allowed a coolant leak that resulted in a different hydro lock condition.

 

[tstex]

Until the tractor is examined and all of facts are known, it’s a lot of “good” speculation. Hope the OP posts back so i know to whom to send the cigar!

 

[Woodstock Walt]

This is the description in the original post

quote]
Once upright, I let the tractor sit for 5 days and replaced the oil filter, air filter, and refilled with the recommended oil (can't remember if 5W40 or 15W40). The engine took an entire gallon of new oil.

After the filter replacements and new oil, I started the tractor. For about 3 seconds a lot of white smoke came out of the exhaust. A few seconds later, the smoke turned gray and the engine cut off. When I try to restart, the engine tries to start but only makes one short attempt to fire up but stops abruplty and doesn't turn over. {end quote}

Have events changed? "I Started the tractor", for about 3 seconds ..white smoke, a few seconds later the smoke turned gray and the engine cut off"

Sounds like the engine ran for at least 5 seconds.. that would be about 100 revolutions, The engine is toast...or it's not.

A bent rod could allow the engine to turn over and not start or run. A cracked head/water jacket could have allowed a coolant leak that resulted in a different hydro lock condition.

Yeah, I reread the original post and edited my post above when I realized my mistake.

Regardless, the OP seems to be MIA so I'm done with the theoretical arguing this thread has turned into.

 

[DutchInNZ]

Have you checked the condition of your battery ? Does it still have fluid in it ? Take it out of the tractor, and do a load test on it, after giving it a full fluid check, and charge.

What's a battery got to do with a diesel being able to run? If the starter tuns over, as it obviously does in this case, the battery is out of the equation. Diesels don't need any electric system at all, as long as you can crank them over for starting. Big ship's diesels are started with compressed air into two cylinders.

 

[LittleBill21]

Diesels don't need any electric system at all

how do they magically hold the fuel solenoid open for the injection pump then?

 

[DutchInNZ]

how do they magically hold the fuel solenoid open for the injection pump then?

That was no magic when there were diesels but no electricity yet, which now seems to be unimaginable. Have a look at diesels from the almost 100 years before 1980. Injection pumps were mechanical and usable solenoids were not even invented. You just opened the valve in the feed line and with smaller engines pulled hard on the flywheel. Oil engines (google: Hornsby-Akroyd oil engine) and the later developed Diesel engines ran idling with a governor, that took over when the pump was at minimum, and switching off the engine was simply done again manually by closing the valve in the feed.

 

[ruffdog]

......and to shut them old ones off you had to pull a lever or lift the foot feed with your heel.

 

[LittleBill21]

That was no magic when there were diesels but no electricity yet, which now seems to be unimaginable. Have a look at diesels from the almost 100 years before 1980. Injection pumps were mechanical and usable solenoids were not even invented. You just opened the valve in the feed line and with smaller engines pulled hard on the flywheel. Oil engines (google: Hornsby-Akroyd oil engine) and the later developed Diesel engines ran idling with a governor, that took over when the pump was at minimum, and switching off the engine was simply done again manually by closing the valve in the feed.

my point is this is not relevant to this conversation, his battery needs to be good for the fuel rack to operate. talking about a 100 year old tractor helps no one here

 

[airbiscuit]

First time poster here....
Amazing how tipping on its side can cause so many problems. I guess it's a tractor/diesel weakness.

Put a car, truck, skidsteer, lawn tractor, or just about anything else on it's side and you will have the same problem(s) unless you do the restart process correctly. I don't view this as a tractor/diesel weakness. Glad no one was injured.