mahindra

cowboydoc · May 11, 2004

Well I'll respectfully disagree with you Charlie. If I thought for one minute they were even half the quality of a JD, NH, etc. I'd buy one but they aren't. I like saving money just as much as the next guy but I won't do it at the expense of quality. I pay very close attention to everything that is out there. I look at reviews, listen to what people I know and trust have to say about the equipment that are actually using them hard, go to every farm show around that I can. I keep myself pretty informed and base my opinions on what I can see, feel, and use. I haven't underestimated the quality in my opinion. You may feel different and that's your opinion. But my opinion is that they are not that great of quality.

As far as price I could walk into my dealer today and walk out with a 4110 4wd, hydrostat with mmm for $12,551. Seems to me you paid $2500 too much for your Mahindra.

Soundguy · May 11, 2004

( post where he questioned the QUALITY of this )

Quality .. but mostly via manufacturer reliability, when compaired to many imports.

On otherwise comprable machines.. a small margin like 1500$ just isn't enough to make me jump from a big three brand.. to any that we have mentioned here.. Not all based on quality.. some is dealer support.. parts.. and mechanic service.

Soundguy

Soundguy · May 11, 2004

( ( The Mahindra is NOT a chinese tractor nor can it be compared to the crate chinese tractors Soundguy alludes to.
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You misunderstand.. I was not comparing the mahindra to a jinma.. but rather compairing the cost savings of a mahindra to the big 3.. oposed to the cost savings of a jinma to the big three. In this case.. you can have as little as a 10% savings or less on the mahindra on a 15000$ big three unit.. and oh.. 30-40% savings on a china import. And yes.. I feel the china units are inferior in design.. and thus cost less... a direct trade off.

The mahindra are of better quality than the china units. I still feel they are not at 100% of the big three.. but very close.. their big thing is limited dealer support right now.. and no body i know will work on them, save the dealer here locally that carries them.

Before i but a tractor.. I call around to all the local aftermarket parts houese and services.. and local tractor mechanics to see who carries what / services what. When I got a 'none' response.. I avoid that tractor unless I am collecting it... That is one thing that is kinda keeping me from getting a super cheap long 900 right now.. nill support.

And no.. it isn't a chineese tractor.. its indian... Deffinately a step up the wooden ladder... and still getting hairy eyed looks for the fanatically domestic crowd.. ( the domestic crowd that doesn't understand the japaneese connection to most all the big three units.. ).

Soundguy

Durbob · May 11, 2004

Am i wrong or aren't the mahindras always "Last years technology"? Even the new 2015,2615,and3015 are on last years Cub Cadet after Cub Cadet redid its line up. At least that is what i heard. Seems you are gonna never get up to date technology with Mahindra. They should be a good bit cheaper. The Tafe (sp?) seems like the best bet for the money.

DAP · May 11, 2004

Chris ... no misunderstanding here. I KNOW you weren't comparing Mahindra to Jinma ... one of our moderators certainly was however. Look back at that thread and see where the word twisting took place. We are in agreement far as I can tell.

And cowboy ... no secrets here ... next time you PM me with a message of the nature I received from you via this thread, I'll send you some info on Anger Management counseling. Now if that was an attempt at intimidation, it almost worked. Pretty spooky PM there cowboy! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

cowboydoc · May 11, 2004

It wasn't any kind of intimidation DAP. I really think you should at least have a resemblance of some knowledge on what you are posting on. So far I have seen none of your posts that were based on anything but a weekend experience with a hydro tractor and now you are the expert on everything tractors. Those that do know something and have some experience are just labeled macho farmers in wolves clothes. I'm sure not on here trying to tell architects how to design things.

DAP · May 11, 2004

Let's clear the air cowboy ...

1st. You can't possibly know JACK about what I do nevermind where I do it, with whom and how I do it. Assuming you know what I have done with my life, what I do with my time and how I do it is silly.

2nd. If you don't already know the word and it's definition, look up the word 'obfuscation' in the dictionary. For career related reasons, I find it very handy and use it often. You are very good at obfuscating posts. Only because I do not presently earn an agrarian living farming would I ever assume to tell a farmer how to farm. So you offering not to tell an architect how to design something is completely irrelevant.

You refer to yourself as a farmer. You also seem to be fixated on pressing the point that being a farmer is very difficult. Not everyone needs to have that explained. I've noticed on more than one occassion your need to reprimand a novice farmer who thinks they can make a go of it in what comes off as a hostile mannerism.

The other attempts in your post paraphrasing some of my early ones (a great way to obfuscate) are dribble. I haven't forgotten some other interactions with TBNers that fly in the face of your childish rant.

Lastly, this will be the 3rd and last opportunity for you to provide the almanac of details you have about the quality differences between the Mahindra's and the JD's, if not so other's, including this JD owner, don't waste money on a Mahindra. I suspect you won't take the opportunity but so be it ...

TBrown · May 11, 2004

I should probably stay out of this, but I'd like to make a couple points.

First, though Mahindra is in fact an India-based company, and Deer is of course based in Moline, my Mahindra 2015 was in fact manufactured in the same place many of the Big 3 are manufactured...Japan. Mahindra does manufacture some models in India, and rebadges some Korean tractors as well. I guess they're a "global company", like CNH and.. well... Deere.

As far as I know, Deere is the only one of the Big 3 that has their name on tractors manufactured in China
Chinese John Deere site
They also have Kukje (in Korea) manufacture John Deere's for the Asian market. Granted, they're not for the U.S. market. But I don't see any other manufactureres putting their name on a Chinese tractor. Or on cheesy lamps & sofa blankets in the Sportsman's Guide either, for that matter.

From a quality standpoint, its been said many times on these forums that everybody makes a good tractor these days. The points about dealer support and parts availablity are valid, but I don't buy the "superior quality" thing. I'd invite anyone to come over and point out the inferior quality of my Mahindra, cuz I don't see it.

Evasive1 · May 11, 2004

When I started seriously looking at tractors three years ago I heard constantly that you had the big three with the best quality and all others had inferior quality in one way or another and I bought into this as fact.

But once I started looking to buy, starting with the big three, I just did not see it. Some of the other companies had just as good of fit and finish on their tractors at quite a cost savings. Of course the fit and finish issue is true with some makes of tractors but not all of them.

Their are people that swear by their colors and I respect their choice. But it is time for the big three to face the facts. They cannot automatically claim that the fit and finish on the "other" tractors is not as good and if they do try to claim it, they better have some evidence to back up that claim.

cowboydoc · May 11, 2004

I'll do even better than that DAP. Next farm show I'll let you know and you can fly out and I'll show you in person the differences that I think are important and why I don't think the quality is as good. Better yet come out and I'll take you to the Nebraska tractor test site. My brother-in-law is one of the managers there and that's where I get alot of my information on quality and performance as well. I can't post information from them because it's propietary info. and that's how they make their money. If you're interested buy the book that they put out every year. Also go to OCED. They test tractors internationally and put out a report.

As far as reprimanding anyone I hardly see it that way but you do. I try and relate real life experience to what people are trying to do. Take Rich Z. I have never once tryed to discourage Rich. I've tryed to help him out anyway that I could as well as others. Some things just don't work though. And most people underestimate the time, money, and breakdowns associated with it. But if anyone has a notion to do it in the face of all the odds I'd be the first one to do anything I could to help them out. Sorry if my trying to point out the reality of it was condescending to you. I certainly never meant it to be that way.

While don't you give us your background then? I'm going off of what I have read in your posts and in your bio. If you have some experience please let me know.