Major Warranty work done
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bikemiser
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So when the instrument cluster was replaced did it fix the hour meter to shown real time?
Buckeye_Jim
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Hello all,
I am unsatisfied with the responses on this subject, so let me bring it up again. The meter shows hours and tenths of hours. The manual says nothing about time being only valid at PTO engine speeds. I had mentioned this to my dealer in Auburn, CA and he also said he would replace the instrument cluster. Will this do anything??
If I rented a John Deere from my local rental yard, they charge by the hour meter reading. So their tractors must be different than "all ag tractors". It seems that possibly some of the responders to this thread are apologizing for this manufacture.
It also seems pretty universal that the fuel gauge doesn't work correctly also. All that said, I am very happy with my 3820 and it's backhoe. I did my 50 hour service at about 35 hours, which was I am sure way more than 50 hours.
Jim
3820i, BL50 FEL, 8620 BH, 6' BB, pallet Forks, log splitter
I am unsatisfied with the responses on this subject, so let me bring it up again. The meter shows hours and tenths of hours. The manual says nothing about time being only valid at PTO engine speeds. I had mentioned this to my dealer in Auburn, CA and he also said he would replace the instrument cluster. Will this do anything??
If I rented a John Deere from my local rental yard, they charge by the hour meter reading. So their tractors must be different than "all ag tractors". It seems that possibly some of the responders to this thread are apologizing for this manufacture.
It also seems pretty universal that the fuel gauge doesn't work correctly also. All that said, I am very happy with my 3820 and it's backhoe. I did my 50 hour service at about 35 hours, which was I am sure way more than 50 hours.
Jim
3820i, BL50 FEL, 8620 BH, 6' BB, pallet Forks, log splitter
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RE hour meters, my JD has a combo tach/hr meter that runs off
a cable input from the cam/crank gears. It seems to me that it
MUST report hours that are proportional to engine speed. Conversely,
my new tractor has an electric meter and it almost certainly
reports actual hours because to NOT do so would require engine
speed feedback and an electronic converter IC, which I doubt it
has. It is possible to get engine speed feedback info from the
electronic tach or tach pickup.
I have not thought about this before, but now we know that
idling hours are not "real" hours if you have a cable hour meter.
a cable input from the cam/crank gears. It seems to me that it
MUST report hours that are proportional to engine speed. Conversely,
my new tractor has an electric meter and it almost certainly
reports actual hours because to NOT do so would require engine
speed feedback and an electronic converter IC, which I doubt it
has. It is possible to get engine speed feedback info from the
electronic tach or tach pickup.
I have not thought about this before, but now we know that
idling hours are not "real" hours if you have a cable hour meter.
DavesTractor
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Buckeye_Jim said:
Jim, not sure what it takes to satisfy. Check in the other forums or in the general owner/operating forum. Same issue is brought up concerning one brand or another every few weeks. As has been said many times, there are two types of meters. One is simple...the key is on, the meter runs like a clock. The other is a revolution counter. This sort of counter is configured to read one "hour" when the tractor is operated at rated PTO speed, probably around 2400 rpm on the Branson. Take 2400, multiply by 60 and every time your "hour" meter turns over an "hour", your engine has gone 144,000 spins. It is a more meaningful number to me than clock hours. Most construction equipment seems to run on clock hours, not sure why the different camps use different methods, but rest assured this is real, not just a conspiracy
to keep your dealer from having to replace your dash, which is only busy work concerning the hour meter.Buckeye_Jim
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Thanks Dave,
How about prodding Branson to update their manual? Is the servicing when the meter says a certain number or when you have operated the tractor for 200 hours, etc.?
Jim
3820i, BL50 FEL, 8620 BH, 6' BB, pallet Forks, log splitter
How about prodding Branson to update their manual? Is the servicing when the meter says a certain number or when you have operated the tractor for 200 hours, etc.?
Jim
3820i, BL50 FEL, 8620 BH, 6' BB, pallet Forks, log splitter
DavesTractor
Elite Member
Buckeye_Jim said:
Jim, that is a good idea, although I don't know if any manuals actually explain this. Obviously they should. It is understood by farmers, but most small tractors are sold to small landowners, not farmers. Good point.
Yes the servicing is based on "revolutionary hours". It's a lot more accurate indicator of usage then "key on" time.
