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I like that idea.
I REALLY like that idea!
I REALLY like that idea!
Maybe someone can advise me
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Brings to mind an auction I went to last year. The farmer working the adjoining land wanted to be sure whoever bought the house knew it was next to farm land, so he spread a few loads of PIG the morning of the sale, on his land.
Even upwind from the PIG manure, there wasn't any doubt you were near farm land. Oddly, the fancy yuppie antique buyers didn't stay for the auction.
Stuff happens, and it works wonders for a market economy.
Even upwind from the PIG manure, there wasn't any doubt you were near farm land. Oddly, the fancy yuppie antique buyers didn't stay for the auction.
Stuff happens, and it works wonders for a market economy.
Raptor -
<font color="blue"> Is there anthing I can do to combat this? I don't mean to begrudge anybody the use of their land, but I sure as heck didn't want something like that next to me.
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Sounds like bad luck, and I don’t like motorcycles anymore than you, but it sounds to me you are indeed trying to "begrudge" someone the use of their land! (i.e. "combat this") If you start having their customers/guests trespass or damage your land, that's a whole different ball game - but that's not what we're talking about here.
It's all about property rights - you have a right to do what you want with yours, and they the same. It's unfortunate that they opened such a place next to you, but instead of trying to tell people what they can or can't do with land THEY purchased (which is EXACTLY what you are trying to do), I'd suggest you do one of 3 things. 1) Buy them out, 2) Sell and buy someplace else, or 3) deal with it.
I spent a great deal of time picking my place out (and checking with my neighbors) before I purchased. If one of them changes their mind and wants to stop raising cattle and put an amusement park on their place, that's their right - not a dern thing I can (or would) do to stop it. Of course, I’m a man of principle and not someone who believes in the verbiage of “Do as I say, not as I do.”
As for the idea of sabotaging their business by putting poop on your property - I think that is about the worst idea I’ve heard in a long time. See here’s the difference between what they are doing and you going that route. They aren’t intentionally trying to hurt you - they are just trying to establish a lawful business. You “booby-trapping” the area with excrement? The only reason would be to HURT them - e.g. Revenge or a vendetta if you will. Doesn’t say much for you as a person if you go that route - other than that you are the spiteful mean-spirited type, and, quite frankly, I suspect you'd be opening yourself up to a potential lawsuit (e.g. on the basis of intent. - Not saying they'd win because you still should have the right to do whatever you want with your place, but you'll be out the cost of lawyers & such to defend yourself.)
No, try and be a good neighbor and they *might* just try and accommodate you to a degree - start screwing with them and you’re just asking for them to try and “get back” at you.
This is a hot button topic for me (if you couldn't tell) - very few things hack me off more than someone trying to tell someone else what they can/can't do with property when they have absolutely NO LEGAL RIGHT to do so. You don't pay the taxes or the bank and as long as they are meeting existing legal restrictions, you have absolutely no business telling them how to use their place.
<font color="blue"> Is there anthing I can do to combat this? I don't mean to begrudge anybody the use of their land, but I sure as heck didn't want something like that next to me.
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Sounds like bad luck, and I don’t like motorcycles anymore than you, but it sounds to me you are indeed trying to "begrudge" someone the use of their land! (i.e. "combat this") If you start having their customers/guests trespass or damage your land, that's a whole different ball game - but that's not what we're talking about here.
It's all about property rights - you have a right to do what you want with yours, and they the same. It's unfortunate that they opened such a place next to you, but instead of trying to tell people what they can or can't do with land THEY purchased (which is EXACTLY what you are trying to do), I'd suggest you do one of 3 things. 1) Buy them out, 2) Sell and buy someplace else, or 3) deal with it.
I spent a great deal of time picking my place out (and checking with my neighbors) before I purchased. If one of them changes their mind and wants to stop raising cattle and put an amusement park on their place, that's their right - not a dern thing I can (or would) do to stop it. Of course, I’m a man of principle and not someone who believes in the verbiage of “Do as I say, not as I do.”
As for the idea of sabotaging their business by putting poop on your property - I think that is about the worst idea I’ve heard in a long time. See here’s the difference between what they are doing and you going that route. They aren’t intentionally trying to hurt you - they are just trying to establish a lawful business. You “booby-trapping” the area with excrement? The only reason would be to HURT them - e.g. Revenge or a vendetta if you will. Doesn’t say much for you as a person if you go that route - other than that you are the spiteful mean-spirited type, and, quite frankly, I suspect you'd be opening yourself up to a potential lawsuit (e.g. on the basis of intent. - Not saying they'd win because you still should have the right to do whatever you want with your place, but you'll be out the cost of lawyers & such to defend yourself.)
No, try and be a good neighbor and they *might* just try and accommodate you to a degree - start screwing with them and you’re just asking for them to try and “get back” at you.
This is a hot button topic for me (if you couldn't tell) - very few things hack me off more than someone trying to tell someone else what they can/can't do with property when they have absolutely NO LEGAL RIGHT to do so. You don't pay the taxes or the bank and as long as they are meeting existing legal restrictions, you have absolutely no business telling them how to use their place.
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You taught me a lesson or two on handguns in that recent thread on "Biggest Gun...." that was deleted. Now, you've expressed your thoughts on these types of property issues just as they are in the most cogent, logical, and civil way I've ever seen anyone do here at TBN. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Hats off to you and I hope others can learn a thing or two from your post. Thanks!
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You taught me a lesson or two on handguns in that recent thread on "Biggest Gun...." that was deleted. Now, you've expressed your thoughts on these types of property issues just as they are in the most cogent, logical, and civil way I've ever seen anyone do here at TBN. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Hats off to you and I hope others can learn a thing or two from your post. Thanks!
....Bob
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Absolutely not one thing you can do about it in our state. I had the same thing happen and there wasn't one thing that could be done to stop them. I had some of the best lawyers in the state look at it and there wasn't anything we could do.
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Raptor,
Doesn't sound like your new neighbors asked you if you'd mind such a facility next to your property. I guess some folks who like that kind of fun would have difficulty imagining how it might affect their neighbors, but, as has been pointed out, property rights are sacred. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Zoning laws and covenants.....sure would be nice if we didn't have to worry about what the idiot next door might do, but life often doesn't work out that way. When I bought my place, I signed covenants that didn't bother me much at all. I can't subdivide, or build a radio tower above a certain height, or raise pigs, or a few other things I had no intention of ever doing anyway. In my county, I also have to deal with inspections and such, and the county zoning rules prevent some of my neighbors who are not subject to the covenants I am under from doing many of the same things I agreed not to do. All that is one reason my son-in-law chooses to live in an adjacent and more rural county....no enforced zoning to speak of. Seems like if you want to live in a really rural area, you either have to buy enough land that no neighbor will be able to affect you, or perhaps find that rare piece of property surrounded by a national or state park, or just trust in luck. It is a pain that property rights end at your property line, but noise, stink and other insults to your peace of mind can flow freely across those barriers. If they didn't ask, feel free to begrudge, not that it will do much good.
Chuck
Doesn't sound like your new neighbors asked you if you'd mind such a facility next to your property. I guess some folks who like that kind of fun would have difficulty imagining how it might affect their neighbors, but, as has been pointed out, property rights are sacred. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Zoning laws and covenants.....sure would be nice if we didn't have to worry about what the idiot next door might do, but life often doesn't work out that way. When I bought my place, I signed covenants that didn't bother me much at all. I can't subdivide, or build a radio tower above a certain height, or raise pigs, or a few other things I had no intention of ever doing anyway. In my county, I also have to deal with inspections and such, and the county zoning rules prevent some of my neighbors who are not subject to the covenants I am under from doing many of the same things I agreed not to do. All that is one reason my son-in-law chooses to live in an adjacent and more rural county....no enforced zoning to speak of. Seems like if you want to live in a really rural area, you either have to buy enough land that no neighbor will be able to affect you, or perhaps find that rare piece of property surrounded by a national or state park, or just trust in luck. It is a pain that property rights end at your property line, but noise, stink and other insults to your peace of mind can flow freely across those barriers. If they didn't ask, feel free to begrudge, not that it will do much good.
Chuck
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Raptor,
As I said earlier, get with all of the neighbors and sit down with the new business owners. Find out what their plans are as far as running this business. I think you really have to work with them. You may have to give some, but in return they have to give you something back. Like maybe get them to close at 8:00pm or something like that, don't allow them to go until midnight which some of them ATVer's like to do. Find out how they plan on keeping the area clean. Will they police the area to protect your property.
I guess what I am saying here, is, it is their land and less there is some laws or permits that have to be pulled for this type of business or if a township board has to approve of it there is nothing you can do. You bought your property for peace of mind. They bought theirs for making money. Unfortunalety I don't know of any zoning for this.
Murph
As I said earlier, get with all of the neighbors and sit down with the new business owners. Find out what their plans are as far as running this business. I think you really have to work with them. You may have to give some, but in return they have to give you something back. Like maybe get them to close at 8:00pm or something like that, don't allow them to go until midnight which some of them ATVer's like to do. Find out how they plan on keeping the area clean. Will they police the area to protect your property.
I guess what I am saying here, is, it is their land and less there is some laws or permits that have to be pulled for this type of business or if a township board has to approve of it there is nothing you can do. You bought your property for peace of mind. They bought theirs for making money. Unfortunalety I don't know of any zoning for this.
Murph
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Murph, Don't you mean us ATVer's? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif (I thought you mentioned having a quad before)
Just for the record I have owned various dirt bikes and a quad in the past. I currently have a Suzuki DRZ400S dual sport bike.
Murph, Don't you mean us ATVer's? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif (I thought you mentioned having a quad before)
Just for the record I have owned various dirt bikes and a quad in the past. I currently have a Suzuki DRZ400S dual sport bike.
Relocating would be what I'd do, but you can impede the neighbor's project with anything from dung odor to state noise ordinances (85dba in my state - would shut down any motocross in near proximity to your property). It's a common (OK not a motocross next door, but rather some sort of activity which a landowner finds objectionable) problem. Heck, I don't like lots of folks and traffic congestion nearby, and the home I purchased 24 years ago is now surrounded by such. Developers will put houses/stores/parking lots on any property with some semblance of commercial viability, so you just need to have enough land to be able to ignore the neighbors, or have land adjoining some barrier to others. My retirement property has the intercoastal waterway on 1 border, a strip of US national forest on another, a cemetary on the third side (quiet neighbors) and single house with a conservation easement on the fourth. Can't be too careful. Folks down the road about a mile from me (inland) had a motorcycle club buy a few acres, and turn it into weekends of loud music and cycle noise. Unfortunate, but legal - well, not quite - I told them about the noise ordinance, and they researched the state liquor laws - so the motorcycle club has relocated, probably buying a larger piece of land so they can use the middle of such "away from any meddling neighbors" (and I would agree with them-I'm all for property rights, within the limits of the law).
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