McCormick has switched suppliers ... (might be old news)

[DavesTractor]

Thanks for the info Dave.

So do you have any clout with Kukje? They've gotta do something about the cab design on the 4520r (and I assume that the cab is similar across the board).

No clout at all actually!

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Hey Dave, which tractor lines do you sell again?



Components are one thing ... Even 'Bota sells engines to other companies. I'm just wondering if Daedong is going to now build whole tractors just for themselves. Maybe they are established enough now?

No reason to shut down a profitable division. If management where to do so, they'd need to convince the shareholders.

 

[wmonroe]

Does McCormick build any of their own tractors?

 

[olskool350]

TSO, I sell Mahindra and I remain as a Branson dealer. I have no Branson's in stock right now as we are waiting for them to get the Tier IV models CARB certified. I really like the 4520/5220 size Branson. They are hard to beat, but I do occasionally get frustrated with slow parts availability. I'm just honest with folks, if they are looking at a Branson and Mahindra side by side, let's say a 2555 Mahindra vs. a 5220 Branson - I will tell them if they want parts next day Mahindra is really pretty good, with rare exceptions. If they want parts next day with a Branson, that just won't happen if it is other than a fast moving part. Currently I think the Branson offers more tractor for the $$ than about anybody....they just need to get stronger as an organization in the USA.

Daedong in Korea is much more than what we see as Kioti in USA. Kioti tractors are good tractors, but they have been in the USA for a long time and they have not established a huge market share. Mahindra blew right past them, and I'm really not sure why. I do know that Mahindra worldwide is huge and perhaps that allowed some deeper pockets to buy market share, do expensive marketing, develop more models etc. Having said that, let nobody misunderstand me, I like Kioti and think it is a good product. I do not think Daedong pulled the tractors from Bobcat or from McCormick. Bobcat just got out of the small tractor business about the time the Tier IV stuff hwas rolling out. McCormick may have wanted a better price in switching to Kukje, or perhaps they could not buy the volume needed from Daedong to keep pricing down. There are a lot of factors. When a distributor negotiates with a manufacturer there is always a discussion of volume and model mix. If a year down the road orders are not adequate, prices go up. I'm not at all saying that is the case with McCormick/Daedong, but it is one possibility. I think if McCormick and or Bobcat wanted to order 2500 Daedong tractors each, Daedong would take that order.

Success in the tractor market in the USA requires more than just a good tractor.

Hi Dave, I'm new to this site and actually new to the tractor world. I have narrowed my search down to a McCormick X1.45C ( Branson 4520C) and I am ready to purchase. The only concern I have is with the Tier 4 and the cost of replacing the DPF. Do you have any idea the costs on this and at what interval this maintenance is recommended? The dealer just picked up the McCormick line and is uncertain on the cost, as they have not had to perform this service yet. Thanks.

 

[DavesTractor]

Hi Dave, I'm new to this site and actually new to the tractor world. I have narrowed my search down to a McCormick X1.45C ( Branson 4520C) and I am ready to purchase. The only concern I have is with the Tier 4 and the cost of replacing the DPF. Do you have any idea the costs on this and at what interval this maintenance is recommended? The dealer just picked up the McCormick line and is uncertain on the cost, as they have not had to perform this service yet. Thanks.

That's a nice tractor, you will like it. Apparently...I just found out yesterday...Branson is using a non-regenerating DPF/DOC. The good news is that you have no regen cycle to worry about. The bad news is that once it is plugged, you have to buy a new one, or much more likely a reman or a re-cleaned unit. This DPF/DOC is a very robust unit with a lot of platinum in it allowing it to go a long time and simply not need cleaning. How long? To pass testing for EPA they had to run 2000 hours and still be entirely effective and they had no problem passing that test. If that test is an indicator of the real world life of the unit, it will be years and years down the road before you need it cleaned. My guess is that there will be remans for $500 or less, but I expect nobody has remanufactured one yet. If you needed one right now, it would be costly, however it would also be under warranty. Unless some scoundrel stole it for the $1500 worth of platinum in it...that would not be warranty, it would be insurance I suppose.

 

[olskool350]

That's a nice tractor, you will like it. Apparently...I just found out yesterday...Branson is using a non-regenerating DPF/DOC. The good news is that you have no regen cycle to worry about. The bad news is that once it is plugged, you have to buy a new one, or much more likely a reman or a re-cleaned unit. This DPF/DOC is a very robust unit with a lot of platinum in it allowing it to go a long time and simply not need cleaning. How long? To pass testing for EPA they had to run 2000 hours and still be entirely effective and they had no problem passing that test. If that test is an indicator of the real world life of the unit, it will be years and years down the road before you need it cleaned. My guess is that there will be remans for $500 or less, but I expect nobody has remanufactured one yet. If you needed one right now, it would be costly, however it would also be under warranty. Unless some scoundrel stole it for the $1500 worth of platinum in it...that would not be warranty, it would be insurance I suppose.

Thanks Dave.

 

[wmonroe]

That's interesting as I've not heard of a dpf that doesn't need a periodic regeneration. It seems most tractors I've read about on here go 30-50 hours between regens. Do you know what they've done differently? I wonder how they keep the engine efficient when it starts plugging?

 

[DavesTractor]

That's interesting as I've not heard of a dpf that doesn't need a periodic regeneration. It seems most tractors I've read about on here go 30-50 hours between regens. Do you know what they've done differently? I wonder how they keep the engine efficient when it starts plugging?

They use a much more expensive DPF with twice the platinum, and it constantly is at a fairly high temp, but not nearly as hot as a regen cycle. It's a passive system, and a good one I think. The other option is to use minimal precious metals and a smaller filter surface at a lower temp, then to light it off with a regen cycle. Two concepts, same goal. Time will tell which is best.

 

[wmonroe]

They use a much more expensive DPF with twice the platinum, and it constantly is at a fairly high temp, but not nearly as hot as a regen cycle. It's a passive system, and a good one I think. The other option is to use minimal precious metals and a smaller filter surface at a lower temp, then to light it off with a regen cycle. Two concepts, same goal. Time will tell which is best.

It will be very interesting to see how this approach works, I hope it is successful as it would save a good amount of fuel. I wonder though if a suitable temperature will be maintained when doing light load tasks.

 

[olskool350]

It will be very interesting to see how this approach works, I hope it is successful as it would save a good amount of fuel. I wonder though if a suitable temperature will be maintained when doing light load tasks.

From what I have been reading, the higher the RPM the better. I have also read that a "low ash" motor oil will benefit a DPF system. I hate being a test Subject, especially when i'm going to spend this kind of money.