McDonalds.....Don't Eat the Food!

   / McDonalds.....Don't Eat the Food! #31  


Dave ...what incentive would entrepreneurs or investors have to take the risks to start McDonald's, Walmart, Sams Club, Microsoft etc...?

Dave, you sound like if you could, you would redistribute the wealth.

Brin, It's not an all or nothing proposition, moderation and balance of rewards is all I'm suggesting. There are degrees of poverty and degrees of wealth. Is $2B poor compared to $10B? Apply your Christian principles, it's Christmas after all.

Markcuda, Since when is paying someone who works redistributing wealth? Paying them too little to live on is surely redistributing wealth, is is not? You pay taxes, some of it goes to support low paid wage earners who work for extremely wealthy people. What happened there?

We are redistributing wealth via private and government programs now because people do not earn a living wage. Which do you prefer: reward for work, or welfare?
 
   / McDonalds.....Don't Eat the Food! #32  
I think we all know the downside of fast food but they do such a great job of marketing it. :)

I still cannot figure out how anyone eats something that comes from a drive thru window. Marketing doesn't give flavor. Once you consider how cheaply one can cook at home, and get healthy and flavorful....

And before anyone says, "But I don't have time..." It is WAY too easy to pick up some whole wheat, (preferably non-GMO, but that's another thread) tortillas, and some farm fresh eggs, and some bacon or sausage, and cook up the stuffing for breakfast tacos on a weekend, and enjoy it all week. For around $5, you get breakfast for each morning, and all one has to do is place a spoonful of the filling on the tortilla and in the time it takes to pour yourself a cup of coffee, the microwave has it heated. Just roll and go! You can add cheese, hot sauce, whatever you like, when cooking, so all of the "work" is done. And the cooking will only take about 15-20 minutes on the weekend, when cooked on the stove.

Yep, I can be that lazy, but if it is fast food, I'll skip the meal! :eek: :)
 
   / McDonalds.....Don't Eat the Food! #33  
Lets all request a recipe forum here.OLOLOLLOLO
 
   / McDonalds.....Don't Eat the Food! #34  
Brin, It's not an all or nothing proposition, moderation and balance of rewards is all I'm suggesting. There are degrees of poverty and degrees of wealth. Is $2B poor compared to $10B? Apply your Christian principles, it's Christmas after all.

Markcuda, Since when is paying someone who works redistributing wealth? Paying them too little to live on is surely redistributing wealth, is is not? You pay taxes, some of it goes to support low paid wage earners who work for extremely wealthy people. What happened there?

We are redistributing wealth via private and government programs now because people do not earn a living wage. Which do you prefer: reward for work, or welfare?

The reality of it is that increasing the amount you pay a "McDonalds worker" nearly always goes immediately back into the economy when they spend it. There is not a lot of savings going on there. The lower end of the income spectrum stimulates the economy way more than the upper end does when they have money.
 
   / McDonalds.....Don't Eat the Food! #35  
If you have a job, any job, be it part time or full time, and you are not getting enough money to make ends meet, ask for a raise in income, if that does not work, look for a better paying job.
How comes some people just can't see it that way?
Lets all boycott McDonald's because they don't pay enough money per hour:rolleyes:
 
   / McDonalds.....Don't Eat the Food! #36  
Holy, didn't think McDonalds was worshipped like green tractors on this site. Hahaha.

Glad to see you understand where I was going with my comment Dave.
No, Mc D is not intended to be a full time career, but when it is the only job a young person can get, should they not deserve to make enough money to go to school to better themselves for a real career? Not all kids these days have parents that can afford to put them through university. Some have to pay for themselves like I did. And if you didn't notice.....jobs aren't in abundance. That's why your economy is in the crapper.
 
   / McDonalds.....Don't Eat the Food! #37  
If you have a job, any job, be it part time or full time, and you are not getting enough money to make ends meet, ask for a raise in income, if that does not work, look for a better paying job.
How comes some people just can't see it that way?
Lets all boycott McDonald's because they don't pay enough money per hour:rolleyes:

Consider it this way:

Someone is earning $10/hour, that's more than the $7.25 federal minimum wage. On a national average $15/hour is considered roughly to be a living wage. Do the math on a living wage for a totally independent person who is paying 100% of their way in the world. No subsidies of any kind. $15/hour may sound like a lot but it's not really enough.

You are proposing that the person looking for a living wage will increase their income by 50% ($10->$15). 50% raises are not likely. You are assuming they have improvable skills. Well, they can take their low IQ/bad education/learning disabilities/whatever and try, but there are limits. I'm not ever going to be a rocket scientist, for example. We all have limits, some higher, some lower than others.

If the market values that person's worth at $10/hour, who will pay more? They may even want to, but can't because they are competing with others who are paying $10/hour, or China paying $3/hour. Or, they are locked into a franchise deal that has no room in it for $15/hour wages. In some regards, it's a Mexican Standoff.

If a living wage floor is established at $15/hour, then the playing field is leveled among competitors as to how cheap labor can be. They all pay a minimum living wage, they are all free to continue competing in every way but minimum labor rates. The existing minimum wage works like that, there are exceptions, workers who receive tips, for example.

$15/hour is low enough that most people will try to earn more, and many will need to in any case. They are free to use their skills to compete for more, and they will. They are human after all.

How is that different than what happens now? Now we pay lots of people less than a living wage, then we compensate for that with subsidies. Then we complain about the cost of subsidies (taxes), and the administrative overhead (government) to manage those subsidies. How is that an improvement over paying a living wage to begin with? It's actually more expensive.

Even in the ideal scenario where a person works themselves up to higher wages, the time that they spent earning less than a living wage usually incurs welfare costs of one kind or another. I don't think that makes a lot of sense, but it would be a typical rags to Carhartt American success story.

The absolute reality is that without a minimum wage floor and the expensive subsidies we now have, there would be many homeless and starving people. The cost of living simply exceeds their earning ability. If we eliminate subsidies and minimum wages, we are not valuing them as people, but rather only on what they are worth in the market--like a commodity. People and "commodity people" are not equivalent social values.
 
   / McDonalds.....Don't Eat the Food! #38  
Holy, didn't think McDonalds was worshipped like green tractors on this site. Hahaha. Glad to see you understand where I was going with my comment Dave. No, Mc D is not intended to be a full time career, but when it is the only job a young person can get, should they not deserve to make enough money to go to school to better themselves for a real career? Not all kids these days have parents that can afford to put them through university. Some have to pay for themselves like I did. And if you didn't notice.....jobs aren't in abundance. That's why your economy is in the crapper.

Mcdonalds could afford to pay $15/ minimum to start. They make billions and only care about profit!
 
   / McDonalds.....Don't Eat the Food!
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#39  
I went to the restroom at Mcdonalds and a sign on the wall said "employees must wash hands"

I waited for an hour but no-one came, so I washed my own.
 

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