Mehindra diesel hard starting

   / Mehindra diesel hard starting
  • Thread Starter
#21  
This is for anyone with the same problem. Doing it this way if you ever want to go back to using a Mahindra controller all you have to do is unplug this one and plug the new one in because you are not changing any of the mahindra wiring harness.
1670356523741.png
 
Last edited:
   / Mehindra diesel hard starting #22  
some very nice work there.
 
   / Mehindra diesel hard starting #23  
I'd clean relay contacts, folded emery paper then contact spray. Try with cover off, see if relay engages when glow plug light is on. Should disengage open when light goes off.
 
   / Mehindra diesel hard starting
  • Thread Starter
#24  
I'd clean relay contacts, folded emery paper then contact spray. Try with cover off, see if relay engages when glow plug light is on. Should disengage open when light goes off.
Yes your method will work for a dirty contact but is only a temporary solution.
Using emery cloth (if the emery cloth is more than 1000 grit) and cleaner to clean the contacts I would say this would work for a couple weeks or months. The reason this method does not hold up is the emery cloth will remove the silver from the contacts. The way I clean them is to use a clean peice of cotton cloth with cleaner and close the contact and drag the cloth between them unit it comes out clean. This polishes the silver and does not remove it. Using emery cloth I have found causes the contacts to arc when they close and this causes a build up of carbon on the contact causing a the contact not to close completely.

At first there was a loose connection causing me to not have the 12volts. Then I found that the contacts/relay was closing and staying closed as long as the ignition was turned on, even with the relay light off. The contacts were not the problem. It was sending 12volts to the glow plugs but it was never turning them off until the ignition was turn off. This caused the glow plugs to burn out. They check open.
So I decided since I am senior electronics tech to check the components on the circuit board hoping it was a capacitor, transitor or rectifier but I found it was the Intergarted circuit or IC chip that is bad. Now since it is a special number chip that has no aftermarket replacement and can not get a replacement IC chip, the board is not repairable. Oh you could take a 255 timing chip and a NPN transistor, PNP transistor, 4 resistors and 2 capacitors and do the same thing but then you have to design the circuit using lot of math calculations to get the size of the components which could take days to get it right.

So the most economical method is to build a old style ciruit using exisiting relay without using electronics. This way I would only have to buy a pushbutton, glow plugs and take about an hour to build. Why they insist on making an electronic circuit like this for equiptment that is outside most of the time and when a simple old style repairable ciruit should be used could only be to make money off the repairs.


You do not have to use the existing relay you can buy small 30 amp 12 volt double pole relays for less then ten dollars. I replace them all the time on 4 wheelers.
 
Last edited:
   / Mehindra diesel hard starting #25  
   / Mehindra diesel hard starting
  • Thread Starter
#26  
Curtisum why not check out this for manual?



willy
Ty I could not find a manual for it. I just downloaded from the site you posted.
The reason I was doing a repair or modification on module is because the cheapest module I could find was 250$ and from a site I am not so sure about. The Mahindra dealers wants 400$ for this control module and 189$ each for the glow plugs. Add all this together with labor and it is over 1k. My friend cannot afford that much. So about 200$ parts and all he will have it repaired and working like it should except for having a push button to preheat the glow plugs. This does not change the harness only the module is modified so all that has to be done to put it back original is to replace the module.
 
Last edited:
   / Mehindra diesel hard starting #28  
Yes. Not sure why you asked for help.
 
   / Mehindra diesel hard starting #29  
Yes your method will work for a dirty contact but is only a temporary solution.
Using emery cloth (if the emery cloth is more than 1000 grit) and cleaner to clean the contacts I would say this would work for a couple weeks or months. The reason this method does not hold up is the emery cloth will remove the silver from the contacts. The way I clean them is to use a clean peice of cotton cloth with cleaner and close the contact and drag the cloth between them unit it comes out clean. This polishes the silver and does not remove it. Using emery cloth I have found causes the contacts to arc when they close and this causes a build up of carbon on the contact causing a the contact not to close completely.

At first there was a loose connection causing me to not have the 12volts. Then I found that the contacts/relay was closing and staying closed as long as the ignition was turned on, even with the relay light off. The contacts were not the problem. It was sending 12volts to the glow plugs but it was never turning them off until the ignition was turn off. This caused the glow plugs to burn out. They check open.
So I decided since I am senior electronics tech to check the components on the circuit board hoping it was a capacitor, transitor or rectifier but I found it was the Intergarted circuit or IC chip that is bad. Now since it is a special number chip that has no aftermarket replacement and can not get a replacement IC chip, the board is not repairable. Oh you could take a 255 timing chip and a NPN transistor, PNP transistor, 4 resistors and 2 capacitors and do the same thing but then you have to design the circuit using lot of math calculations to get the size of the components which could take days to get it right.

So the most economical method is to build a old style ciruit using exisiting relay without using electronics. This way I would only have to buy a pushbutton, glow plugs and take about an hour to build. Why they insist on making an electronic circuit like this for equiptment that is outside most of the time and when a simple old style repairable ciruit should be used could only be to make money off the repairs.


You do not have to use the existing relay you can buy small 30 amp 12 volt double pole relays for less then ten dollars. I replace them all the time on 4 wheelers.
Don't you mean the ubiquitous 555 timer?
Eric
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2011 Kubota M7040SUD 68HP Utility Loader Tractor (A49461)
2011 Kubota...
2015 INTERNATIONAL PROSTAR SLEEPER TRUCK (A50854)
2015 INTERNATIONAL...
2019 Ford Explorer AWD SUV (A50324)
2019 Ford Explorer...
2013 FORD F-450 UTILITY TRUCK (A51222)
2013 FORD F-450...
2005 Case IH 2062 Flex Draper Header (A50657)
2005 Case IH 2062...
2013 LONE STAR TRAILER MFG. (A50854)
2013 LONE STAR...
 
Top