Metal Roof Question

[mx842]

I honestly am not sure how much work is involved, I would have to figure time and material, I'm just pointing out it looks like a fairly simple roof to work on, someone had suggested it could be close to 5000 sq ft, and need 5,000 screws, but it looks closer to 2,000 sq ft to me. The higher estimate was for single storey house I'm sure.

I'd get it done for him, might be ~2K anyway. I like to make as much as possible

JB

Correction....that is if you were talking about my comments. All I had to go by was what the OP posted in his opening post. He said the house was a 2 story and around 3000sq ft. Without knowing exactly what the sq footage of the roof is anything posted is just a guess. My example was only a guess when I posted it could take as many as 6000 screws or as few as 4500. Just guessing a 3000 sq foot 2 story house would have a roof with somewhere between 30 and 40 squares of roof area and that is what I based my screw count on. Example, my house is a 2350 sq ft cape with attached garage and a wrap around porch and I just put on a new roof and it came out to a little more than 39 squares total. On average it takes 150 (min) screws to fasten down 1 square (100 sq ft) of medal roofing. Of-course this is not true for standing seam medal roofing as that is a different animal all together.

If your comments were not directed at my post please disregard.

 

[JB4310]

Correction....that is if you were talking about my comments. All I had to go by was what the OP posted in his opening post. He said the house was a 2 story and around 3000sq ft. Without knowing exactly what the sq footage of the roof is anything posted is just a guess. My example was only a guess when I posted it could take as many as 6000 screws or as few as 4500. Just guessing a 3000 sq foot 2 story house would have a roof with somewhere between 30 and 40 squares of roof area and that is what I based my screw count on. Example, my house is a 2350 sq ft cape with attached garage and a wrap around porch and I just put on a new roof and it came out to a little more than 39 squares total. On average it takes 150 (min) screws to fasten down 1 square (100 sq ft) of medal roofing. Of-course this is not true for standing seam medal roofing as that is a different animal all together.

If your comments were not directed at my post please disregard.

Again, I'm not as experienced with modern residential metal roofing, or any type of new installations. I do work on ALOT of roofs though and am pretty good at estimating everything (but not for new work).

Just commenting on the area of roof, a 3000 sq ft. 2 storey house has a 1500 sq ft foot print. Someone had the formula to figure in the roof area with that pitch, can't imagine it being 3000 even with the porch/ overhang.

I will go out on limb here at the risk of looking like a fool if I'm way off, but that house does not look near 3000 sq ft and the roof looks closer to 20 sq. not counting the garage.

I'm still learning so I wont feel to bad if I am way off, just going by what it LOOKS like in the picture.

No offense to OP, he has a beautiful house with a very durable looking roof, I would want to preserve/ maintain it all I could too.

Just from experience, that roof would be more vulnerable to wind damage on the front. The wind, if it were equally applied would tend to flow better up and over that family room in the back than around those dormers on the front. The dormers are usually especially vulnerable to wind damage.

JB

 

[beppington]

... Just commenting on the area of roof, a 3000 sq ft. 2 storey house has a 1500 sq ft foot print. Someone had the formula to figure in the roof area with that pitch, can't imagine it being 3000 even with the porch/ overhang. ...

I think you're assuming that the 2nd story size/ shape is exactly the same as the 1st story, which by the pictures doesn't appear to be the case for OP's house.

Or, heck, maybe it is.

 

[JB4310]

I think you're assuming that the 2nd story size/ shape is exactly the same as the 1st story, which by the pictures doesn't appear to be the case for OP's house.

Or, heck, maybe it is.

Your right, with the cathedral ceiling family room, the second floor would have far less sq footage.

My house is a Garrison Colonial where the second floor cantilevers out in the front about 2 feet, so my second floor is a little larger than my first.

Historically you would have hatches that could be opened from inside so you could pour boiling water or oil down on attacking Indians thus the name "Garrison" like a fort.

JB

 

[mx842]

Again, I'm not as experienced with modern residential metal roofing, or any type of new installations. I do work on ALOT of roofs though and am pretty good at estimating everything (but not for new work).

Just commenting on the area of roof, a 3000 sq ft. 2 storey house has a 1500 sq ft foot print. Someone had the formula to figure in the roof area with that pitch, can't imagine it being 3000 even with the porch/ overhang.

I will go out on limb here at the risk of looking like a fool if I'm way off, but that house does not look near 3000 sq ft and the roof looks closer to 20 sq. not counting the garage.

I'm still learning so I wont feel to bad if I am way off, just going by what it LOOKS like in the picture.

No offense to OP, he has a beautiful house with a very durable looking roof, I would want to preserve/ maintain it all I could too.

Just from experience, that roof would be more vulnerable to wind damage on the front. The wind, if it were equally applied would tend to flow better up and over that family room in the back than around those dormers on the front. The dormers are usually especially vulnerable to wind damage.

JB

Well I don't know either, I'm just speculating numbers by what the op posted. Also I might add that just because a house has a 1500 sq ft footprint don't mean that it is a 3000 sq ft home. A lot depends on how the house is laid out and how open it is, I mean a house could have almost half the downstairs that is open all the way to the roof like mine is and that cuts the finished floor area down a lot. Also roof pitch and other features like dormers add to the final count. Like I said I was just going by what was posted and is why I gave an even/or screw count.

I'm not trying to cause a fuss here just trying to point out there are a lot of variability that needs to be factored in to draw a final conclusion as you pointed out also.

 

[EddieWalker]

I'm curious about those who think that the price is too much, what would you charge to do the job?

Looking at the pics, I'm thinking $1,500 in labor plus materials. That seems pretty close to the bid that he received, but I haven't priced screws lately. I also don't know what sized screws are in there, or what the purlins look like to attach them. My bid would be based on the wood under the roof being in good condition and not needing any more work.

I'm also going off of replaceing all of them because that's what he wants done.

What is your time worth? How much pain do you want to endure doing something like this? At what price will you garanty your work and your employee's work and come out and fix it if anything fails? Do you have the tools to get the job done or will you have to buy them? Rent them? and who pays for that?

What would you charge?

Eddie

 

[slowzuki]

The other thing Eddie didn't mention is I'm sure he has insurance for his guys so they won't sue the homeowner if they fall off the roof. This costs money and Joe Blow doesn't always have it.

 

[JB4310]

Well I don't know either, I'm just speculating numbers by what the op posted. Also I might add that just because a house has a 1500 sq ft footprint don't mean that it is a 3000 sq ft home. A lot depends on how the house is laid out and how open it is, I mean a house could have almost half the downstairs that is open all the way to the roof like mine is and that cuts the finished floor area down a lot. Also roof pitch and other features like dormers add to the final count. Like I said I was just going by what was posted and is why I gave an even/or screw count.

I'm not trying to cause a fuss here just trying to point out there are a lot of variability that needs to be factored in to draw a final conclusion as you pointed out also.

You're right with a vaulted ceiling room on the first floor, the the foot print would be bigger than just dividing the square footage by 2.

I'm not trying to detract from OP's question/ concerns either.

JB

 

[clemsonfor]

I'm curious about those who think that the price is too much, what would you charge to do the job?

Looking at the pics, I'm thinking $1,500 in labor plus materials. That seems pretty close to the bid that he received, but I haven't priced screws lately. I also don't know what sized screws are in there, or what the purlins look like to attach them. My bid would be based on the wood under the roof being in good condition and not needing any more work.

I'm also going off of replaceing all of them because that's what he wants done.

What is your time worth? How much pain do you want to endure doing something like this? At what price will you garanty your work and your employee's work and come out and fix it if anything fails? Do you have the tools to get the job done or will you have to buy them? Rent them? and who pays for that?

What would you charge?

Eddie

Im not a contractor but i think your price is closer to what should be?? Id have to price screws. But to your question whats my time worth, way less than i would pay you and your crew to do the work. This is the reason i do everything i can on my home myself. The renovations i have done myself would be way up into the thousands which i dont have cash for nor do i want to pay for them for the next 30 years in a equity loan.

That said, i did not do my own roof when i had hail damage. I could have myself and pocketed the money but my roof was 40 square and is all cut up with vallies diff peeks and a flat spot where rubber was needed. I would have been at it for ever. I do know when to say when.

Im not convinced yet even aafter pics that i would just fork over the money first. Id try and locate the problem area, totally rescrew the section that looked like the leak was coming from and then do a thorough look over and replace loose screw etc.

As for the equiptment, a few cordless drills, yes i have them. A rope, i can get one, a harness, i can get one or rent one for a few weeks for nothing id think. Latters yep got some there and have neighbors with enough ladders to crawl up and over that house between a few of them and me.

Garantee, yep i garantee my work, i garantee that if i have a problem my butt will be back up there figureing out what is wrong.

Again, im not saying your gonna get rich on this type job, my point is that there are a lot of working middle class folks like myself that pay their bills and save a bit each month but really cant forgo 4-6 months of savings on something like this or want to.

Say i do start the job and its to much work or i cant find the loose or leaking screws, what am i out? The price of the screws.

 

[mx842]

Your right, with the cathedral ceiling family room, the second floor would have far less sq footage.

My house is a Garrison Colonial where the second floor cantilevers out in the front about 2 feet, so my second floor is a little larger than my first.

Historically you would have hatches that could be opened from inside so you could pour boiling water or oil down on attacking Indians thus the name "Garrison" like a fort.

JB

****! poor Indians...I bet that would really pizz them off or at least the ones that didn't get all the way well done from the boiling oil.