Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment

[Hay Dude]

Im not the country bumpkin you think I am. Talking down to someone is not furthering your point.

Amazing and at the same time so disrespectful how a comment like that is made?
The way people talk down to people who work outside a city, like they’ve never been anywhere. I’m what people like him call a “redneck” or a ”hick”, but I have traveled many parts of the world, own a beautiful home, have a great education and well educated wife & children all contributing positively to the world.
The “Metamucil“ comment speaks for itself.
Once the ad hominem attacks start, you can rest your case.

 

[ddbackhoe]

Funny how it is always us outside the big cities who have to adapt to their dogma, dictates, rules and regs.
We give up our dreams, careers, lifestyles and money so they can pass their very questionable agendas.
Havent seen anyone outside the beltway or the capitals of the states do anything but continue to cut, regulate, tax and burden the very people that feed them, provide their fuel, fix their crap and keep their houses warm, clean and safe.

There’s some real uppity people that are going to be very inconvenienced in ways they never thought possible if we keep going this way a few more years.

Hard for those that depend on your money to increase their lifestyle without taking more out of your pocket.

 

[MossRoad]

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Its a matter of security, Moss. We aren’t making the critical infrastructure, medicines and electronics we need to survive....

I'll agree with you on that part for the most part.

 

[MossRoad]

I stacked bentonite in rail cars to feed my family when I was young and appreciated the job. Your city boy analogy sucks because there are millions who still do manual labor.

City boy analogy? Where'd you get that? Many of my family worked the line in factories. AM General, Raco, Studebaker, South Bend Toy, Singer Sewing Machines, Bendix, Automatic Molded Plastic and more I can't remember. I can't count the number of years I spent standing in front of newspaper inserting equipment hand loading skid after skid of a couple hundred thousand ads into hoppers a handful at a time every night. So I greatly appreciate manual labor on assembly lines.

There's no way I'd go back to working on assembly line if I had the skills and opportunity to do something else first. Been there, done that. Don't want to go back.

 

[MossRoad]

Good for you. Save me your "Ive been there". Have you ever dug a ditch with a shovel with your hands to put bread on the table? Stop before you embarrass yourself.

No. I didn't dig ditches for money. I hauled bricks with my hands for a mason in high school and first years of college. Built some huge shoulders. I don't want to go back to that job, either.

 

[Hay Dude]

City boy analogy? Where'd you get that? Many of my family worked the line in factories. AM General, Raco, Studebaker, South Bend Toy, Singer Sewing Machines, Bendix, Automatic Molded Plastic and more I can't remember. I can't count the number of years I spent standing in front of newspaper inserting equipment hand loading skid after skid of a couple hundred thousand ads into hoppers a handful at a time every night. So I greatly appreciate manual labor on assembly lines.

There's no way I'd go back to working on assembly line if I had the skills and opportunity to do something else first. Been there, done that. Don't want to go back.

I agree, I wouldn’t either, but does that mean the cities get to decide which industries to drive off shore so our supply chains become more vulnerable to critical and strategic shortages?

I dont know about you, but having the Chinese make chips for everything from cars to machinery sounds like a recipe for disaster during the next war or Covid outbreak. Did we learn anything from Covid other than our news media and some others lied to us?

Time to bring the factories and railroads, pipelines, trucks and good paying jobs and yes, some pollution back home. It’s worth it.

 

[jyoutz]

I agree, I wouldn’t either, but does that mean the cities get to decide which industries to drive off shore so our supply chains become more vulnerable to critical and strategic shortages?

I dont know about you, but having the Chinese make chips for everything from cars to machinery sounds like a recipe for disaster during the next war or outbreak. Did we learn anything from Covid other than our news media and some others lied to us?

I don’t get the notion that cities decide what industries to offshore? Those decisions are made by corporate boards to increase shareholder value.

 

[Hay Dude]

I don’t get the notion that cities decide what industries to offshore? Those decisions are made by corporate boards to increase shareholder value.

Hah! You’re hilarious. Meet up with me in Philly some day. I’ll show you hundreds of companies that used to be here that are nothing more than abandoned buildings crumbling into the Delaware River. Trash, abandoned RR tracks, rusty fences, heck maybe we will find a dead body. Most is attributed to high taxes and regulations started 40-50 years ago.
The corporate boards had enough of high taxes and regulations. They moved south or off shore to get away from them.
CA has lost 70 major companies in the last couple years. They didn’t move offshore. They moved to TX, TN an FL. Why? Lower taxes and less regulations.

Look at cities like Hartford, Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Philadelphia, New York, Pittsburgh, Akron, Toledo, Milwaukee, Chicago, etc.
All those cities have high taxes and all their industry left about 40 years ago.

 

[MossRoad]

I agree, I wouldn’t either, but does that mean the cities get to decide which industries to drive off shore so our supply chains become more vulnerable to critical and strategic shortages?

I dont know about you, but having the Chinese make chips for everything from cars to machinery sounds like a recipe for disaster during the next war or outbreak. Did we learn anything from Covid other than our news media and some others lied to us?

If someone could get their hay significantly cheaper from someone else, they would. Unless it's inferior enough for them to not do so. Then they'd stick with you.

There's a "just good enough" equation that drives all of that.

I can make a product that's fantastic. Someone else can make a similar product that's just 'OK'. If my product costs too much, people are gonna go with the just 'OK' product.

It's that pursuit of the last 10-15% of perfection that drives the cost of production up past the point of the consumer's stomach.



The whole issue of national security is another animal. Should any component for war machinery be made outside of the country? Maybe by trusted allies only? Whole nuther subject there.

 

[Hay Dude]

If someone could get their hay significantly cheaper from someone else, they would. Unless it's inferior enough for them to not do so. Then they'd stick with you.

There's a "just good enough" equation that drives all of that.

I can make a product that's fantastic. Someone else can make a similar product that's just 'OK'. If my product costs too much, people are gonna go with the just 'OK' product.

It's that pursuit of the last 10-15% of perfection that drives the cost of production up past the point of the consumer's stomach.



The whole issue of national security is another animal. Should any component for war machinery be made outside of the country? Maybe by trusted allies only? Whole nuther subject there.

Having working cars for the general population, machinery to farm, construction equipment, medicine to cure disease, clothing to wear IS a matter of national security.

If an Ace fighter pilot needs antibiotic and the cure is made in China, or his car wont work and he can’t get to military base because the cars chip is made in China, how can he fly?

Don’t you understand how easily we can be conquered without firing a shot?