Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment

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   / Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment #221  
Reasonable to who? If you believe that ICE engines are ruining the environment then it is reasonable to believe that the Government should ban them.
So far the evidence I have seen points to cyclical warming & cooling cycles based on millions of years of research in climate.
 
   / Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment #222  
It’s not “nobody” I directed my comment at, it’s just you.
It’s perfectly acceptable to demand near perfection from the fed go______. We pay trillions in taxes and should be VERY demanding of them.
We can also ask them to regulate more in one area, and regulate less in another.

Me? I just want a compassionate, timely response that shows as much attention to our own taxpaying citizens as they pay attention to others who pay no taxes and do nothing to help our country. How many citizens of East Palestine are vets? KIA? Emergency responders? Single parents? Or just good, tax paying citizens?

Too much to ask for a quick, compassionate response?
We should be very demanding, but do we expect the feds to be there first?
 
   / Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment #223  
We should be very demanding, but do we expect the feds to be there first?
Well, they tax the most by far and have the biggest resources, so first sets a great example of using our tax dollars effectively.
2-3 weeks before sending a reluctant, pouting, uninterested transportation secretary and giving nothing wile present isn’t very impressive.
If they would have arrived promptly with a group of people interested in making these people whole, wouldn’t that be appropriate?
 
   / Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment #224  
Reasonable to who? If you believe that ICE engines are ruining the environment then it is reasonable to believe that the Government should ban them.
And that is the problem. It is a belief. Not a fact. Every regulation has 2 sides to it: benefits and downsides/costs. Both must be considered in the balance. But the climate religion will not consider that there are any downsides as it has gone well beyond any semblance of facts.
 
   / Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment #225  
If it were up to me, I'd like the fed govt to just follow the constitution and that's it. If it's not in the constitution the states can make laws in regards to their own individual states constitution.

Feds have way too much over reach in way to many areas
 
   / Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment #226  
If it were up to me, I'd like the fed govt to just follow the constitution and that's it. If it's not in the constitution the states can make laws in regards to their own individual states constitution.

Feds have way too much over reach in way to many areas
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Bingo
 
   / Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment #227  
Most reasonable people simply want the Gummint to do what they are supposed to do. Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps they simply need to "refocus" their efforts on those things which are enumerated to them in the Const****ion and leave those things NOT enumerated to those to whom it is. As in the 10th Amend***nt. That would consistently satisfy most of those on one side of the argument. There really is no conflict in what we are asking for.
 
   / Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment #228  
And that is the problem. It is a belief. Not a fact. Every regulation has 2 sides to it: benefits and downsides/costs. Both must be considered in the balance. But the climate religion will not consider that there are any downsides as it has gone well beyond any semblance of facts.
First off, I think banning IC engines is a pie in the sky idea, but I also thought five years ago I'd never own a battery tool of any sort, and now I am replacing my Stihl gas powered stuff with battery powered stuff, they work good and are lighter. Did I do it to save the environment? No, I got sick of cleaning out carburetors when I forgot to drain the gas.

I agree that the climate religion folks tend to have a "sky is falling" attitude, however the same could be said for the anti-climate religion folks. The truth is somewhere in between.

I can remember the very first Earth Day, our high school science departments created a room that had the same atmospheric condition of LA smog, us farm boys were encouraged to walk in and see what it was like. Quite honestly, I doubted every thing that I was being told, but overtime a lot of what they said was determined to be true especially about the use of lead in our gasoline.

Facts can change over time as more data is developed. A prime example would be Einstein's theory of relativity, what was accepted as fact for many years is now possibly wrong.
When people start sprouting facts to me, I usually ask them where they're data came from and make up my own mind.

By the way, I gave you a good post earlier because I thought your response was well thought out and well written, it didn't seem to have any personal agenda or attack in it, I enjoy good discussion and like to be challenged.
 
   / Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment #229  
I didn't use the term *******.

Use your imagination. Leftist or fascist. Two sides of the extremist coin. Which fits very few Americans. Most are centrists and most policy is a debate between center left and center right. Of course there are outliers on both sides, but the extreme labels shouldn’t be applied to everything we disagree with.
 
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