Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment

[gstrom99]

Now it's all CAFO. (confined animal feeding operations).

Long gone are the small producers. That's pretty much how every technology goes. The economics of scale always win.

They're all over, around here. Only stink if you're downwind, of the operation or the manure injection(s) done in the fields.

 

[Hay Dude]

Cattle is big here, and most of the state produces range beef cattle. But the entire Pecos river valley is planted in alfalfa hay to support the dairy industry and the bulk of the dairies are in those areas also.

I hope it suits your amazing state for the time being, because from what I am reading the next agenda is pushing the end of cows for milk & beef.

 

[turbo36]

MMMMmmmmmm love me that mass produced watered down corporation milk. Expeshully the walmart stuff.
So wholesome.

I grew up drinking the milk straight out of the cans after we got done milking, course we had strain the flies out of it first! I much prefer the store-bought milk now.

 

[turbo36]

I've become friends with a guy whose family farms around 10,000 acres, and finishes around 6000 hogs at a time, 3 times a year. He has friends that do chickens, beef, dairy, etc. It's HUGE business.

We were talking a couple weeks ago about hog farming, and recalling that around here, and especially in southern Michigan, it was common to see field after field of the little corrugated hog huts in rural areas. Now it's all CAFO. (confined animal feeding operations).

Long gone are the small producers. That's pretty much how every technology goes. The economics of scale always win.

So the discussion I had with one of my farm buddies was about the importance of food because you can't import all of it he said. I said to him well, we have thought for years that we can import anything manufactured around the world, why is food different? There's always a country somewhere that is willing to grow and sell us food. The true capitalist doesn't care where it comes from. They only care if they can make a profit on it.

 

[Hay Dude]

I grew up drinking the milk straight out of the cans after we got done milking, course we had strain the flies out of it first! I much prefer the store-bought milk now.

Its always the extremes with you guys, isn’t it?
I’m not pushing people to have to drive to a farm to buy milk. Store bought is fine. Would be nice to see the local dairies hold up so we have some for the little guy, too right?

 

[MossRoad]

There's a HUGE dairy in Northwest Indiana called Fair Oaks Farms. It's privately owned by several families. The scale is almost incomprehensible. They give tours. I was on a tour and there happened to be a couple dozen retired Wisconsin dairy farmers and their spouses on that tour. They said this is the way to do it if you want to survive.

Here's a link to a video by two of the owners. It shows a lot of kids playing at the activity center, but listen to the words. Listen to what they say about not using diesel and using cow poop instead to power their truck, equipment, and everything electric on the place.

If anyone ever gets a chance to visit that place, it's worth the trip.

 

[MossRoad]

Its always the extremes with you guys, isn’t it?
I’m not pushing people to have to drive to a farm to buy milk. Store bought is fine. Would be nice to see the local dairies hold up so we have some for the little guy, too right?

Yes, it would be nice. But that's not the reality of the present.

There are a few niche dairies around here that sell artisan cheeses, organic milks, etc., so they're trying to carve a niche for themselves.

Like this one. They seem to be doing well. Product all over the place. But then, they are not getting smaller, they are getting larger.

Crystal Springs Creamery | Osceola, IN

Home to naturally sourced products, Crystal Springs Creamery is based in Osceola, Indiana. In the heart of the country, we make dairy products from farm-fresh, delectable ingredients.

crystalspringscreamery.com

 

[turbo36]

Its always the extremes with you guys, isn’t it?
I’m not pushing people to have to drive to a farm to buy milk. Store bought is fine. Would be nice to see the local dairies hold up so we have some for the little guy, too right?

Who is "you guys"? You made a remark about how yummy store-bought milk is in your cutesy folksy speak in attempt to belittle someone. I understand what you are trying to do, you put a label on someone and then somehow they become less than human and that allows you to divide them from the center.


You seem to have a real problem when someone that may have grown up in similar situations to you doesn't think like you.

 

[Hay Dude]

Weren’t the Environmentalist people the ones screaming at large ranchers and dairies for polluting and abusing animals?

 

[Hay Dude]

Who is "you guys"? You made a remark about how yummy store-bought milk is in your cutesy folksy speak in attempt to belittle someone. I understand what you are trying to do, you put a label on someone and then somehow they become less than human and that allows you to divide them from the center.


You seem to have a real problem when someone that may have grown up in similar situations to you doesn't think like you.

You and a bunch of people talking about eliminating fossil rules, industry and agriculture in the name of “saving the planet”
Thats who

I ain’t dividing nothing except the division of my household income it now takes to keep the lights and heat on with these crippling new energy prices.