Missing 777

[smstonypoint]

Another theory: Flight MH370: Pilot in wrong state of mind to fly - friend - Air Accidents - NZ Herald News.

Steve

 

[MossRoad]

YIKES!

 

[dmccarty]

Reports out today say that quite a bit of debris has been found in the South Indian Ocean off of Australia.

The WSJ reported this morning that besides the hourly pings from the engines, there was a final ping about eight minutes after the last hourly ping. The last ping was not a complete ping. Since the ping was not "scheduled" there had to be an event that triggered the ping, and since the ping was not completed, there was most likely a second event the prevented the transmission from finishing. The engineers would know what events would cause and unscheduled ping.

If the plane was nose dived into the ocean, I doubt there would be time for the engines to ping. It is possible the pilot ditched the plane in the ocean which might have allowed the engines enough time to start a ping. Most likely, the ping was sent due to an out of fuel condition and then the plane crashed. It would be interesting to know how long the ping takes to complete.

This just sounds more and more like a repeat of the Egyptian plane crash years ago.

Later,
Dan

 

[Soundguy]

i'm not familiar with that one.. explain? thanks

 

[MossRoad]

The Egyptian pilot committed suicide.

 

[smstonypoint]

i'm not familiar with that one.. explain? thanks

I think Dan is referring to EgyptAir Flight 990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Steve

 

[buickanddeere]

Reports out today say that quite a bit of debris has been found in the South Indian Ocean off of Australia.

The WSJ reported this morning that besides the hourly pings from the engines, there was a final ping about eight minutes after the last hourly ping. The last ping was not a complete ping. Since the ping was not "scheduled" there had to be an event that triggered the ping, and since the ping was not completed, there was most likely a second event the prevented the transmission from finishing. The engineers would know what events would cause and unscheduled ping.

If the plane was nose dived into the ocean, I doubt there would be time for the engines to ping. It is possible the pilot ditched the plane in the ocean which might have allowed the engines enough time to start a ping. Most likely, the ping was sent due to an out of fuel condition and then the plane crashed. It would be interesting to know how long the ping takes to complete.

This just sounds more and more like a repeat of the Egyptian plane crash years ago.

Later,
Dan

One theory with the incomplete ping is that one engine ran out of fuel first and it's generators and electrical bus de-energized. The 777's control logic may have opened the breaker from the dead generator the closed a tie breaker to energize the dead bus from the other running engine's standby generator.
The Electronics and electrical systems on the re-energized bus were re-booting as the aircraft crashed.
Of course the obvious question. Who was sitting on top of this data and had no clue it was worth anything. Worse they would 't ask either. My brother worked on contract in Malaysia and Indonesia . Says he's not surprised as it's the way thier culture is.
Imagine looking for a debis field and sonar ping 3-4 days after the crash instead of 2-1/2 weeks later?

 

[Soundguy]

I think Dan is referring to EgyptAir Flight 990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Steve

ahh.. thanks

 

[dmccarty]

I think Dan is referring to EgyptAir Flight 990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Steve

Yes. :thumbsup:

Later,
Dan

 

[dmccarty]

One theory with the incomplete ping is that one engine ran out of fuel first and it's generators and electrical bus de-energized. The 777's control logic may have opened the breaker from the dead generator the closed a tie breaker to energize the dead bus from the other running engine's standby generator.
The Electronics and electrical systems on the re-energized bus were re-booting as the aircraft crashed.
Of course the obvious question. Who was sitting on top of this data and had no clue it was worth anything. Worse they would 't ask either. My brother worked on contract in Malaysia and Indonesia . Says he's not surprised as it's the way thier culture is.
Imagine looking for a debis field and sonar ping 3-4 days after the crash instead of 2-1/2 weeks later?

The information about the two possible paths has been known for quite some time. I really don't understand why the Aussies, and even the US, did not start looking to the west of Australia a long time ago since it was the most likely place the plane went too. If the debris is from the plane, and from the amount they appear to have found, it sounds like it is, they will now have to figure out how the winds, waves and currents moved the debris from where the plane crashed. Not impossible to do, but it would be easier if the debris have been found weeks ago.

Later,
Dan

 

[farmgirl19]

The US was having too much of a field day trying to make the disappearance into a high jacking, with the plane sitting in Pakistan, to go look in the correct location.

 

[buickanddeere]

I hope MH370 is in the Indian Ocean. If it's getting prepped in Pakistan or Iran. We are all in for some terrible times.

 

[ovrszd]

Our insatiable desired for answers sets us apart from the other species of the Planet. But then, that same intellect enables us to be diabolical enough to deliberately kill a plane load of people.

Always think the worst when it comes to situations like this. You'll rarely be surprised.

 

[farmgirl19]

I thought the worst. I thought the plane went down, with no survivors.

 

[ovrszd]

Me too farmgirl19. I made my thoughts clear in post #35. Surprises me that there are those that still believe in some deeper conspiracy. My thoughts are based on 4 years in Combat Zones seeing the simple evil of humans up close.

 

[DB Pilot]

I think Hijacking also. When I first saw the sharp turn from North to Southwest I thought of cloning electronic signatures. A plane from the Northeast (that was talked about on TV) comes in close to the 777 and changes its TRANSPONDER identification to that of the 777. All set up ahead of time and answers some of the time interval turning off of electronics. The 777 turns off all of its signals and is then flown to the hijacking base under control of the hijackers. The second plane then continues to the Southwest over Malaysia and 500 miles out to sea, switches its transponder back and heads to home base. The 40,000+ altitude (nearly 8 miles high) may have been chosen for hostages cell phones??.
I don't think pilot suicide and I don't think any aircraft can't be controlled so that it just fly's away. But it is all just guesswork until something is found.

 

[buickanddeere]

I think Hijacking also. When I first saw the sharp turn from North to Southwest I thought of cloning electronic signatures. A plane from the Northeast (that was talked about on TV) comes in close to the 777 and changes its TRANSPONDER identification to that of the 777. All set up ahead of time and answers some of the time interval turning off of electronics. The 777 turns off all of its signals and is then flown to the hijacking base under control of the hijackers. The second plane then continues to the Southwest over Malaysia and 500 miles out to sea, switches its transponder back and heads to home base. The 40,000+ altitude (nearly 8 miles high) may have been chosen for hostages cell phones??.
I don't think pilot suicide and I don't think any aircraft can't be controlled so that it just fly's away. But it is all just guesswork until something is found.

You are thinking of tailing Singapore flight 68 to stat in their radar shadow. Such slight of hand is performed regularly by covert government agencies and smugglers.

I do wish that everybody could get the simple fact into their heads that a common available cell phones do not work in aircraft at an altitude of higher than 1000-3000ft. I know , I've tried it.
The ground cell antennas are very direction and don't waste an iota of signal into empty space above people's heads.
The cell phone fact that painfully few people are aware of is how cheap cell phone jammers are on ebay.

After all the BS the Malaysian authorities have tried to tell the world. The truth about this event is rather sparse. I don't particularly trust" our western government's reports either.

 

[buickanddeere]

I think Hijacking also. When I first saw the sharp turn from North to Southwest I thought of cloning electronic signatures. A plane from the Northeast (that was talked about on TV) comes in close to the 777 and changes its TRANSPONDER identification to that of the 777. All set up ahead of time and answers some of the time interval turning off of electronics. The 777 turns off all of its signals and is then flown to the hijacking base under control of the hijackers. The second plane then continues to the Southwest over Malaysia and 500 miles out to sea, switches its transponder back and heads to home base. The 40,000+ altitude (nearly 8 miles high) may have been chosen for hostages cell phones??.
I don't think pilot suicide and I don't think any aircraft can't be controlled so that it just fly's away. But it is all just guesswork until something is found.

You are thinking of tailing Singapore flight 68 to stat in their radar shadow. Such slight of hand is performed regularly by covert government agencies and smugglers.

I do wish that everybody could get the simple fact into their heads that a common available cell phones do not work in aircraft at an altitude of higher than 1000-3000ft. I know , I've tried it.
The ground cell antennas are very direction and don't waste an iota of signal into empty space above people's heads.
The cell phone fact that painfully few people are aware of is how cheap cell phone jammers are on ebay.

After all the BS the Malaysian authorities have tried to tell the world. The truth about this event is rather sparse. I don't particularly trust" our western government's reports either.

 

[PILOON]

I think you mean IED, not IUD...

Aaron Z

OOPS!
but I did give you a few LOL's

Might add if batteries did explode the gasses emitted could have displaced oxygen in the air and cause suffocation. In fact they possibly use halon as the extinguisher agent which would have the same result.

 

[ovrszd]

I guess I don't watch enough movies and/or read enough fiction books...... :confused3: