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So I finally have had the time off of work to take inventory of my new (used) PT-425 with the Kohler 25 engine. I'm pretty pleased with her, and have slowly started going through her unencumbered by any kind of manual or direction, so I have a few questions. I can tell that the machine and attachments have sat outside for a long time, with little if any use, so I greased all of the zerks I could find (2 on the lift arm and 2 at the pivot point) and have done some cleaning. She's got 650 hours showing on the ticker. The parking brake cables are broken and disconnected as you can see in the pic, but I'll get to that later. I am getting ready to do 50 hour maintenance, which I believe involves changing the oil and the hydraulic filter. Here are my questions that I cannot seem to find answers to:

1) What oil / filter on the Kohler do I use? How much oil does it take?

2) How do I check the hydraulic oil level? The tank seems to be about 1/3 full, with the fluid just touching the dipstick. Is that right?

3) Do I need to change all of the hydro fluid or just screw on a new filter? Do I need to bleed any air? I don't have any experience with hydraulics yet.

Any maintenance you could suggest before I put this thing to hard work would be much appreciated. I'm excited to finally have joined the PT owners ranks and I hope my first set of pics upload.

Regards,
Dan
 
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I am not familiar with your particular machine but would recommend replacing all fluids and filters including the fuel. Load test the battery. Grease all zerks.
Start with a clean slate and you will know what fluid is in there and when it was installed.

A manual will be very helpful. Some hydraulics are self bleeding and others are not.

Good luck with your new machine.
 
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I have a Kohler command but not on a 425... The short version of the 3600 fram is a 3614,otherwise its the same. I use wix 51348.

Dave responded the exact way I would, If you don't know the history, start over.

I would pull up the Hydraulic oil, make sure it looks clean and brand new. (meaning using a turkey baster and suck some out), put it in a jar and let it sit. IMO the Hydraulic oil (which I think on yours is just engine oil like everyone else 10-40) has a fairly long lifespan if you keep it clean and water free.

All filters should be replaced, and I would for sure replace the engine oil.

If it were mine, I would do a DEEP clean on the oil cooler, I would go as far as removing it, pressure washing it so you can see through it, and then run some serios solvent through the inside. Make sure you clean and dry before returning to your system.

But in the end the machines are pretty low maintenance. Not too many moving parts. Expect and look for oil leaks, seems to be a very common feature on these machines.
 
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...so I greased all of the zerks I could find (2 on the lift arm and 2 at the pivot point) and have done some cleaning.

The zerk underneath the vehicle on the joint between the two halves is very important... make sure you get that too. Also get the zerk on the top of the central pivot. Also, there is a threaded hole for a zerk fitting underneath the center console plate. Have to take it off, and screw in a zerk to get that one. It is for the front of the connecting rod for the top of the central pivot.

Go take a look at the "8 hr maintenance" page on mossroad's site, and look at pictures 14 &15. Unfortunately, no picture of the "hidden zerk" that I could find.

PT425 Home Page

While you are at it, buy an enormous wrench (1 13/16") to tighten the "jesus nut" on the bottom of the central pivot.
 
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So I finally have had the time off of work to take inventory of my new (used) PT-425 with the Kohler 25 engine. I'm pretty pleased with her, and have slowly started going through her unencumbered by any kind of manual or direction, so I have a few questions. I can tell that the machine and attachments have sat outside for a long time, with little if any use, so I greased all of the zerks I could find (2 on the lift arm and 2 at the pivot point) and have done some cleaning. She's got 650 hours showing on the ticker. The parking brake cables are broken and disconnected as you can see in the pic, but I'll get to that later. I am getting ready to do 50 hour maintenance, which I believe involves changing the oil and the hydraulic filter. Here are my questions that I cannot seem to find answers to:

1) What oil / filter on the Kohler do I use? How much oil does it take?

2) How do I check the hydraulic oil level? The tank seems to be about 1/3 full, with the fluid just touching the dipstick. Is that right?

3) Do I need to change all of the hydro fluid or just screw on a new filter? Do I need to bleed any air? I don't have any experience with hydraulics yet.

Any maintenance you could suggest before I put this thing to hard work would be much appreciated. I'm excited to finally have joined the PT owners ranks and I hope my first set of pics upload.

Regards,
Dan

Find a good, local, lawn and garden or small engine shop in your town and ask for a Kohler command pro CH25s (if that is indeed your engine model) oil filter. I think there's a long and short version, so measure your's first. Start the engine to get the oil warm. Only takes a minute or two. Shut off the engine. Locate the engine oil drain plug under the engine. A socket on and extension through the bottom of the tub should work. Mine has a 90 degree elbow so it drains out the side of the engine, then strait down through a hole in the tub. Put a wide, shallow pan under the engine. Remove the drain plug and drain into the pan. Let it drain for 10 minutes or so. You'll know is empty when its empty. Replace the drain cap. Remove the oil filter. Put some paper towels down first. It will spill. Oil the gasket on the new filter. Since the filter is at a horizontal orientation, you can't fill it before installing. Install the oil filter. Now its time to fill the engine with oil. The amount is in the PDF manual that I linked to in the previous post. I think its two quarts-ish, so buy three quarts of Mobile 1 5w30 or whatever weight the manual calls for. Add a quart and check the stick. If nothing shows, add 1/4 quart at a time and keep checking the stick until it gets to the full line. Start the engine for 30 seconds and shut it off. Wait a minute and check the level again. It should have gone down a bit due to the filter filling, but not much. Top off and check again every time before you operate the machine. Change the engine oil and filter every 50 hours of operation, or once per year, whichever comes first.

To check the hydraulic oil, just clean the cap and area around it first, then remove the cap and read the stick. I keep mine about an inch up from the bottom of the stick. It should be relatively clear. I've never changed mine in 14 years with about 600 hours. I do add a quart every 50 hours when I change my hydraulic filter. I've been adding 10w40 mobile one each time. So, about 12 quarts of that over the years.

YOU MUST BLEED THE HYDRAULICS EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE THE HYDRAULIC FILTER or the tram pump may be damaged. It sounds horrible, but its not very hard at all. You should have gotten a hydraulic hose about 2-3 feet long with a fitting on one end and just cut off on the other end. That's a bleed hose. If you didn't get one, find the bleed port on the tram pump, remove the cap from the bleed port and take the cap to a NAPA store or a hydraulic shop and tell them you need a 3' hose with a female connection the same size as this cap on one end of the hose only.

First, clean the area around the hydraulic filter.
Second, just crack the filter loose and then tighten it back up by hand.
Third, put some paper towels on the bottom of the tub under the filter.
Fourth, take a quart zip-lock bag, slip it under the filter and then over the filter, so that the filter is hanging in the bag.
Next, squeeze the zip-lock bag with your hands against the filter and loosen it. Carefully unscrew the filter and lift it out. Keep it horizontal and only a small amount of oil should spill into the bag. Nice and neat! :thumbsup:

Then take your new filter (probably should have been the first step to buy a new filter), wipe some clean oil onto the seal and replace the filter. Screw it on hand tight as tight as you can. That should be enough. Maybe a quarter turn with a filter wrench, but I've never done that.

Now locate the bleed port on the tram pump. This can vary depending on year of machine.
Remove the port cap.
Attach the bleed hose fitting to the port.
Remove the hydraulic tank filler/dipstick cap.
Insert the cut off end of the hose into the hydraulic tank well into the fluid.
Remove the spark plug wires from both spark plugs.
Crank the engine for 10 seconds. You'll see air bubbles coming up from the hose in the hydraulic tank.
Stop cranking. Let the starter rest for a few minutes.
Repeat.
Do this until no more air bubbles come up in the tank.
Remove the bleed hose from the tank and put the filler cap back on.
Remove the bleed hose from the port on the tram pump and put the cap back on.
Re-install the spark plug wires.
Fire up and drive around a few minutes. You should be good to go.
 
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The tractor needs to be lubed every 8 hours of operation.

The lube points I remember are grease fittings and the ball joints on all ends of all hydraulic cylinders and the tram peddle linkage (depending on year of the machine).

There's two huge ball joints in the center of the tractor. The lower one has a grease zerk right in the center of it underneath the machine, so you have to get it from the bottom. PRO TIP: Turn the tractor all the way to one side and shut it off. This will give you way more access to the center of the machine from one side. The upper ball joint has the grease zerk on top. Lift the seat to get access to that.

Remove the center tunnel top and side panels in the foot-wells. There's a grease zerk on the front of the tie rod end under that top cover, right about under the steering wheel pedestal. On mine, there's also three grease zerks on the tram pedal linkage. Mine has a cable operated tram pedal. Some have a hydraulically operated tram pedal. I can't tell from your pictures. Anyhow, mine has three zerks.

There's zerks on the center cross tube on the FEL arms. That's very important. This has failed on early units, so keep that greased!

For the ball joint ends of the hydraulic tubes, I use a white lithium spray can grease. Wipe off the balls with paper towels and spray them down well with the grease. Use a paper towel behind the joint as you spray to contain overspray.

That's about all I can remember for now. :laughing:
 
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Thanks for the detail MR! I really appreciate the time it took you to lay that out for me. I have the oil changed in the engine, and I'm starting on the hydro filter and zerks that I missed. It's a good thing I didn't throw out that "broken hydro hose" that was really the bleed hose all along. I thought I'd be able to find a manual for the PT, but the Kohler manual you linked is what I needed all along to make sure I understand the engine. PT hasn't answered my email looking for a manual, but I don't even know what year the machine is . . .

Also, the two ply turf tires state not to exceed 10 lbs PSI. Is that what everyone else fills their tires to?

I pulled the battery tray out since it was very rusty - wire brushed it, scraped it and painted it. I know it won't affect performance, but it sure looks purty now.

I'm sure I'll run into more questions - Thanks for the answers so far!

Dan
 
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Tazwell does not know how to use the internet. You should call them, you will not hear from them via email.
 

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