Moronic drivers
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buickanddeere
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I thought you were talking about the Canadian Goobermint, until I saw you were in Florida.
As bad as the current federal government is. They are all roses compared to the corruption in the past Chr騁ien Liberal government.
If you want true foolishness, political correctness etc. check out the past and current ontario Liberal government. Completely ruined the energy market and economy with green energy.
For as divided of a community as we (the Tractorbynet.com braintrust, that is) can be, if there is one topic that can unite us, it is driving. One thing that we can all agree on is this: we are all above average drivers.
I stole this from the Wikipedia article on Illusory superiority. I think I've posted items regarding these surveys in prior threads about driving, but really don't feel like searching for the old threads, so here it is (possibly, again):
Driving ability
Svenson (1981) surveyed 161 students in Sweden and the United States, asking them to compare their driving safety and skill to the other people in the experiment. For driving skill, 93% of the US sample and 69% of the Swedish sample put themselves in the top 50% (above the median). For safety, 88% of the US group and 77% of the Swedish sample put themselves in the top 50%.
McCormick, Walkey and Green (1986) found similar results in their study, asking 178 participants to evaluate their position on eight different dimensions relating to driving skill (examples include the "dangerous-safe" dimension and the "considerate-inconsiderate" dimension). Only a small minority rated themselves as below average (the midpoint of the dimension scale) at any point, and when all eight dimensions were considered together it was found that almost 80% of participants had evaluated themselves as being above the average driver.
A survey by Princeton Survey Research Associates showed that 24% of drivers believe they are an above average below average driver while using phone for things like texting or email compared to other drivers who are using their phones for things like texting or email, while 44% considered themselves average, and 18% below average.
I'm pretty sure that I'm in the 93% that is above the other 50%.
Good luck, take care, drive safe!
I stole this from the Wikipedia article on Illusory superiority. I think I've posted items regarding these surveys in prior threads about driving, but really don't feel like searching for the old threads, so here it is (possibly, again):
Driving ability
Svenson (1981) surveyed 161 students in Sweden and the United States, asking them to compare their driving safety and skill to the other people in the experiment. For driving skill, 93% of the US sample and 69% of the Swedish sample put themselves in the top 50% (above the median). For safety, 88% of the US group and 77% of the Swedish sample put themselves in the top 50%.
McCormick, Walkey and Green (1986) found similar results in their study, asking 178 participants to evaluate their position on eight different dimensions relating to driving skill (examples include the "dangerous-safe" dimension and the "considerate-inconsiderate" dimension). Only a small minority rated themselves as below average (the midpoint of the dimension scale) at any point, and when all eight dimensions were considered together it was found that almost 80% of participants had evaluated themselves as being above the average driver.
A survey by Princeton Survey Research Associates showed that 24% of drivers believe they are an above average below average driver while using phone for things like texting or email compared to other drivers who are using their phones for things like texting or email, while 44% considered themselves average, and 18% below average.
I'm pretty sure that I'm in the 93% that is above the other 50%.
Good luck, take care, drive safe!
Bird
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And while he was quite a comedian, he wasn't joking that time.:laughing: There have been many "studies" published, even long ago, all of which reached the same conclusion.
Looking4new
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Most of the posters here have never driven in Toronto in a snow storm, on slushy roads, on dry roads, in the rain, whatever the road conditions there are more morons up here than you think. AND they all think it is always the truck drivers fault. Even when they cut across into the path of the truck so close that from the right the driver of the truck can't see their rear fender let alone the signal light and then stomp on the brakes. Happens all the time here.
I got taught how to drive tankers by a senior driver at Gulf Oil. He told me, never swerve to avoid the idiots, always take a piece of them. Even if they leave the scene there is always paint transfer and most times a witness, sometimes even a partial license plate number is better than nothing.
Now go ahead people, tell me I am wrong. I might be, but I have NEVER rolled a tanker trying to avoid an accident touch wood.
I got taught how to drive tankers by a senior driver at Gulf Oil. He told me, never swerve to avoid the idiots, always take a piece of them. Even if they leave the scene there is always paint transfer and most times a witness, sometimes even a partial license plate number is better than nothing.
Now go ahead people, tell me I am wrong. I might be, but I have NEVER rolled a tanker trying to avoid an accident touch wood.
cqaigy2
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Speaking of swerving. A neighbor's son, a newish driver, was retelling an incident about how his pickup got wrecked. He was driving in town when someone swerved into his lane and he reacted by swerving into a telephone pole that was up on the sidewalk. He said he didn't see the telephone pole before he tried to avoid the other driver and i replied that he probably didn't see any of the people on the sidewalk either. I told him, next time stay on the road and take the hit if he had to but never ever take the sidewalk. I said i assumed the sidewalk wasn't the destination he was aiming for so stay aware of your surroundings etc. I strive to live up to the advice i gave him that day.
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A fellow I know of swerved to avoid a dog and wrote his car off. He got out with minor injuries, but now he doesn't have a car.
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I see these all too often:
- Driver approaches intersection, sees yellow light, comes to a safe stop, whips out phone while waiting for green light.
- When taking off from a 4-way stop, an oncoming driver with blinker on to turn left on rolls through stop sign with phone in hand and just misses taking off my rear bumper.
- Operating sequence: Back out of driveway. Reach for cel phone. Put selector in 'drive'. Begin dialing.
- While driving the interstate, I see a flicker of light in the rear-view mirror. Someone is a car-length behind me at ~70 and upset that I'm only going 2 mph over the posted limit. (Gee, that Android touch screen is bright ...) What do they expect? I can only block one lane at a time.
I come to realize:
- A cel phone is the new cigarette when behind the wheel.
- To be 'fashionably late', one must arrive with phone in hand to avoid redress and excuse their tardiness.
"I'm only getting two bars here." I respond, "Oh you'll get four or more in heaven if that oncoming truck is in our lane." ....
IIRC some expert on NPR claimed recently that phoning while driving (not texting, btw) is about as distracting as being over the legal alcohol limit, and for once I want to believe something I only heard on the radio. Well, it does seem to fit what I see on the road. You'd think some young drivers are playing another video game. If they stomp some pedals and make the turns they will win the race with their car restored to 100% and a full tank of gas. :confused3:
- Driver approaches intersection, sees yellow light, comes to a safe stop, whips out phone while waiting for green light.
- When taking off from a 4-way stop, an oncoming driver with blinker on to turn left on rolls through stop sign with phone in hand and just misses taking off my rear bumper.
- Operating sequence: Back out of driveway. Reach for cel phone. Put selector in 'drive'. Begin dialing.
- While driving the interstate, I see a flicker of light in the rear-view mirror. Someone is a car-length behind me at ~70 and upset that I'm only going 2 mph over the posted limit. (Gee, that Android touch screen is bright ...) What do they expect? I can only block one lane at a time.
I come to realize:
- A cel phone is the new cigarette when behind the wheel.
- To be 'fashionably late', one must arrive with phone in hand to avoid redress and excuse their tardiness.
"I'm only getting two bars here." I respond, "Oh you'll get four or more in heaven if that oncoming truck is in our lane." ....
IIRC some expert on NPR claimed recently that phoning while driving (not texting, btw) is about as distracting as being over the legal alcohol limit, and for once I want to believe something I only heard on the radio. Well, it does seem to fit what I see on the road. You'd think some young drivers are playing another video game. If they stomp some pedals and make the turns they will win the race with their car restored to 100% and a full tank of gas. :confused3:
Dr_Zinj
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Accidents do just happen.
They're called accidents because the cause-to-effect relationship isn't 100%.
99 people can do something and nothing ever comes of it.
The 1 out of 100 comes along, does the same exact thing, and it's a catastrophe.
The points are:
Was it preventable?
Was the personal cost of prevention less than the personal cost of the accident?
Are the social costs of prevention less than the social costs of the accident?
They're called accidents because the cause-to-effect relationship isn't 100%.
99 people can do something and nothing ever comes of it.
The 1 out of 100 comes along, does the same exact thing, and it's a catastrophe.
The points are:
Was it preventable?
Was the personal cost of prevention less than the personal cost of the accident?
Are the social costs of prevention less than the social costs of the accident?
OP
JDgreen227
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Yeah...and Dave Barry is the stupidest, most full of s*** writer I have ever come across. NOTHING he writes is actually funny.
Yes it does amaze me how many people THINK they are above average drivers...the truth is that 55% of them are lousy, 30% are average, and the REALLY CAPABLE 15% of drivers are those who do drive or did drive for a living.
turnkey4099
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I'm the exception. I'm pushing 80 pretty hard. Not only do I think I am a great driver, I really am.
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jmurray01
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I am with Bill on this, there are no such things as accidents - somebody is always to blame.
For example, if the truck driver in this instance wasn't to blame, somebody else must have created a situation whereby it was impossible for him to avoid crashing.
Every incident is avoidable, one way or another.
For example, if the truck driver in this instance wasn't to blame, somebody else must have created a situation whereby it was impossible for him to avoid crashing.
Every incident is avoidable, one way or another.
texasjohn
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I'm with you, I don't make extreme efforts to avoid anything in the road...cats, dogs, rabbits, skunks, hogs, horses, cows, cars....my efforts are more severe the higher on the scale the barrier is...My bottom line criteria is that there is nothing gained by evasive action which increases my endangerment beyond what will happen if I take no evasive action. The key word is ...extreme... I do try to avoid stuff...and to drive right under wet, icy, windy, bad road conditions, fog, etc...but, in the end, If I must, I hit the barrier as lightly as possible while maintaining control of my vehicle.
BHD
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I would venture to guess over 50% of the accidents that semi trucks get in to are the cause or a result of some 4 wheelers actions, my son and my brother drove semis for a time, and some of the things cars would do in front of them, or the way they passed,
Now I know nor all truck drivers are not innocent, but I would venture to guess 99% of the people out there have no clue what it takes to handle a fully loaded 18 wheeler, unless they have had some heavy equipment experience,
my guess is the moron was a 4 wheeler and the trucker did good to keep his up right, and not smash the car,
(I disagree on there are not accidents) but I do think most are not truly accidents and most with some for thought and paying attention could be avoided,
I have seen people hit some thing on the highway and blow a tire and at least have to have an under ware change if not move damage was not done,
this was not an accident but was not avoidable, to my knowledge,
had a starter replaced on my wife's car, about two weeks ago, on wed of this week she went out to start it and the car was making a odd sound, she backed up, sound like the heater fan squealing, it was not but the starter, and it did not stop until the battery was disconnected, switch shut off and it was still squealing and starting to smoke, and things do happen when driving that are not foreseeable or avoidable,
take hitting a deer for example, so many times there is nothing a person can do to change the outcome of that,
I do believe there are accidents, but not many,
Now I know nor all truck drivers are not innocent, but I would venture to guess 99% of the people out there have no clue what it takes to handle a fully loaded 18 wheeler, unless they have had some heavy equipment experience,
my guess is the moron was a 4 wheeler and the trucker did good to keep his up right, and not smash the car,
(I disagree on there are not accidents) but I do think most are not truly accidents and most with some for thought and paying attention could be avoided,
I have seen people hit some thing on the highway and blow a tire and at least have to have an under ware change if not move damage was not done,
this was not an accident but was not avoidable, to my knowledge,
had a starter replaced on my wife's car, about two weeks ago, on wed of this week she went out to start it and the car was making a odd sound, she backed up, sound like the heater fan squealing, it was not but the starter, and it did not stop until the battery was disconnected, switch shut off and it was still squealing and starting to smoke, and things do happen when driving that are not foreseeable or avoidable,
take hitting a deer for example, so many times there is nothing a person can do to change the outcome of that,
I do believe there are accidents, but not many,
cqaigy2
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Had a buddy of mine drove his 18 wheeler off the road driving up out of the Walla Walla valley to the Wallowas, probably going 12MPH. Middle of the day, clear weather in the summer time. He dropped his burrito and was leaning over to pick it up off the floor and slowly drove up against the guard rail and tipped the whole works on it's side.
