Moving round bales without a bale spear

   / Moving round bales without a bale spear #1  

joshuabardwell

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I bought five round bales today and brought them home on my trailer, stacked three-and-two. The top two were (relatively) easy. I parked the truck parallel to the trailer and tipped them into the truck's bed. One, I did with ratchet straps and elbow grease. The other, I tipped some of the way, but it wouldn't finish going, and I didn't have enough extension on my loader to push it, so I hooked it up to the drawbar with a ratchet strap and pulled it over.

The bottom three were going to be a trick, though. In the past, I have handled round bales either by buying them one at a time and shoving them out of the truck wherever they were meant to end up, or parking the trailer as close as possible to where they were meant to be stored and then rolling them into position by hand--sometimes with the help of another person, and occasionally a long pry-bar. It was a lot of work, I don't have to tell you.

One of the things I had hoped to use my tractor for was moving these bales around, but there just hasn't been money in the budget yet for a bale spear. But I got to thinking and applied a little git-r-done. See what you think.

First, I laid some 10k ratchet straps down.

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Then I rolled the bale off the back of the trailer, onto the ratchet straps. For the last one, which was all the way at the front of the trailer, I used the loader to lift up the front of the trailer a few feet, so it was easier to roll off. (Don't worry--I chocked the wheels real good before doing this, to avoid any seesaw surprises.)

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Next, I pulled the tractor up to the bale and hooked the ratchet straps to the bucket. I curled the bucket all the way to try to limit the amount of stress on the bottom plate of the bucket.

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Finally, I moved the bale into position and disconnected it.

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As you can see, I put the bushhog on the back of the tractor for ballast, and I'm glad I did, because even with it, if I accidentally moved the loader a little too fast, the tractor definitely got bouncy. I actually intentionally lifted and then jerkily dropped the bale a few times on level ground, just to get a sense of how tippy the tractor really was. It seemed to me like having the loader up high was a risk, but on the other hand, the bale is below it, so I wasn't really sure what the net effect on lateral stability would be. Regardless, I moved at a snail's pace on any part of the property that had any sideways lean at all, and at a turtle's pace everywhere else.

It seems to me like the biggest risk of this scenario is that the bale might get to swinging and cause more of a shift in balance than the operator might expect. I dunno. What do y'all think? Was this an example git-r-done ingenuity, or just a dumb-butt trying to get himself killed?

One other question: I have contemplated whether my loader really has the capacity to lift a round bale. It's rated at just over 1,000 lbs lift capacity (to full height at 500 mm forward of the pins). Seems to me doing it my way puts all the weight at that 500mm-forward-of-the-pins position, but if I was using a proper bale spear, a lot of the bale's weight would be much farther forward of the pins, putting a lot more leverage on the loader. I wonder whether, if I was to get a bale spear, I would need to get a 3ph spear instead of a FEL one. What do you think?
 
   / Moving round bales without a bale spear #2  
A couple of weeks ago, I welded up a bale spear for my BIL. He bought the QA plate from Everything Attachment I think for 149 including shipping. We had an old 3 PH one that he wasnt using so I just welded it to the QA plate using the existing frame on the bale spear. I usually overweld everything and this time was no exception and got a little warpage but it still fit well on his NH. He was using one that fit onto the bottom of the FEL bucket but it really puts a big bow in the bucket when lifting those 1000 pound bales and it is about 2 feet further out from the pins. With the new QA plate, he should have no more trouble with heavy bales.
It doesnt look like you have a QA bucket from the photos so this may not work for you and I am not sure what a pin on attachment plate would cost but you might give them a call and ask. Attaching directly to the FEL rather than adding on to the bucket will for sure increase your lift capacity.
On the strapping, looks like you dodged the bullet with the straps. Looks like you had them going right across the cutting edge of your bucket, so you are very lucky that you didnt cut your straps. You can carry more weight on the 3 point hitch if you are able to get to them with your tractor. With my B-I-L, his were stored under a low shed that he could only reach with the FEL so the 3 pH one was of no use.
 
   / Moving round bales without a bale spear
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On the strapping, looks like you dodged the bullet with the straps. Looks like you had them going right across the cutting edge of your bucket, so you are very lucky that you didnt cut your straps.

I think you're mis-interpreting the picture. I had the hooks hanging off the cutting edge, making a cradle under the bale, but the straps never crossed the cutting edge. I think what you may be seeing is the loose end of the strap, which I tossed up into the bucket just to keep it from getting tangled in anything.
 
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Could you shove a piece of angle iron or a t-post in between all the string wraps and then use 2 chains to lift them up? These bales don't looked that tightly wrapped so I would think you could shove a post thru them and grab the bale by the post with 2 chains.
 
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Could you shove a piece of angle iron or a t-post in between all the string wraps and then use 2 chains to lift them up? These bales don't looked that tightly wrapped so I would think you could shove a post thru them and grab the bale by the post with 2 chains.

I was not convinced that the baling twine would hold the weight of the bale. I used the baling twine as a tie-off point to tie a ratchet strap to when I was tipping one of the upper bales into the back of the truck, and the twine snapped. Granted, if I did it your way, it would spread the weight out over three sets of twine, but then again, what I was doing was just tipping the bale over, not lifting it.

It's a good idea, though. The straps were cinched up reasonably tight, but the bale was definitely more "cradled" than strapped up.
 
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Could you shove a piece of angle iron or a t-post in between all the string wraps and then use 2 chains to lift them up? These bales don't looked that tightly wrapped so I would think you could shove a post thru them and grab the bale by the post with 2 chains.

I was not convinced that the baling twine would hold the weight of the bale. I used the baling twine as a tie-off point to tie a ratchet strap to when I was tipping one of the upper bales into the back of the truck, and the twine snapped. Granted, if I did it your way, it would spread the weight out over three sets of twine, but then again, what I was doing was just tipping the bale over, not lifting it.

It's a good idea, though. The straps were cinched up reasonably tight, but the bale was definitely more "cradled" than strapped up. I'm not sure if the picture you see there shows the final strap-down before I started moving, or just after I got things hooked up.
 
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Joshua,
We have the same tractor and I handle round bales. Take it from me, do not waste your money on a bucket mounted spear. I tried it with 4x4 rounds and at first seemed to work fine, the next time I went to feed 1 I couldn't figure out why the tractor wouldn't move. I had the front wheel drive disengaged and was spinning the rear tires. The first time I was running around on the front axles and didn't realize it. If you do not need to stack the bales and getting them off trailer like you did is not too much trouble then get a 3pt spear or fork. Even if you do get a loader mounted spear you will need much more rear weight than the cutter has. To keep correct ballast for saftey and mimimize load on front axle, to carry that 1000+ lb. capacity calls for 880 lbs. on the 3pt.
I saved up some money and added the Bobtach to the loader then bought a Blue Diamond spear. This is made locally in Knoxville.
 
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Can you afford an old truck axle and a piece of 1/2 inch thick plate about 18 inches by 4 foot. Bolt the axle to the centre of the plate. That's basically what my spear is, you need a bit of flat iron to add the spot to put your loader pins in, can't get any cheaper.
 
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Joshua,
We have the same tractor and I handle round bales. Take it from me, do not waste your money on a bucket mounted spear.

Got it. I was leaning towards either 3ph or pin-on anyway.

I tried it with 4x4 rounds and at first seemed to work fine

LOL that is a funny story. These bales are way bigger than 4x4. This lady bales 'em big! I'd say maybe 5x5, based on how tall they are on me and how wide they are relative to my trailer. But who knows how much they actually weigh, since you can set the baler to pack tighter or looser. I think 1000 lbs is a fair guess.

If you do not need to stack the bales and getting them off trailer like you did is not too much trouble then get a 3pt spear or fork.

I don't need to stack them, but it might be nice to stack them. I usually only have six on hand at most. It really seems like these bales are sort of at the edge of the loader's capacity, even when everything is ballasted out right. And if things aren't ballasted out right, it gets worse fast.

Even if you do get a loader mounted spear you will need much more rear weight than the cutter has. To keep correct ballast for saftey and mimimize load on front axle, to carry that 1000+ lb. capacity calls for 880 lbs. on the 3pt.

Hmm... right. And honestly, of all the things I could spend money on to put on the 3ph, a ballast box is pretty low on the list. I'd rather get something I could work with, like a box blade. These bales are, hands-down, the heaviest thing I have so far considered lifting with the loader. The flip-side is, if I use a 3ph mounted spear, I don't need to max out the ballast. Ehh... I don't know. I really ought to have a ballast box, as much as I use the loader.

I saved up some money and added the Bobtach to the loader then bought a Blue Diamond spear. This is made locally in Knoxville.

Nice. I haven't removed my bucket yet, so maybe you can tell me: is it that big a deal? I don't mind the five minutes or so it takes me to hook up a 3ph implement or take off the loader (okay, a little more than five minutes). Is the convenience of the Bobtach really worth it? Well, obviously it is to you. I guess I'm asking you to read my mind ;)
 
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Got it. I was leaning towards either 3ph or pin-on anyway.



LOL that is a funny story. These bales are way bigger than 4x4. This lady bales 'em big! I'd say maybe 5x5, based on how tall they are on me and how wide they are relative to my trailer. But who knows how much they actually weigh, since you can set the baler to pack tighter or looser. I think 1000 lbs is a fair guess.



I don't need to stack them, but it might be nice to stack them. I usually only have six on hand at most. It really seems like these bales are sort of at the edge of the loader's capacity, even when everything is ballasted out right. And if things aren't ballasted out right, it gets worse fast.



Hmm... right. And honestly, of all the things I could spend money on to put on the 3ph, a ballast box is pretty low on the list. I'd rather get something I could work with, like a box blade. These bales are, hands-down, the heaviest thing I have so far considered lifting with the loader. The flip-side is, if I use a 3ph mounted spear, I don't need to max out the ballast. Ehh... I don't know. I really ought to have a ballast box, as much as I use the loader.



Nice. I haven't removed my bucket yet, so maybe you can tell me: is it that big a deal? I don't mind the five minutes or so it takes me to hook up a 3ph implement or take off the loader (okay, a little more than five minutes). Is the convenience of the Bobtach really worth it? Well, obviously it is to you. I guess I'm asking you to read my mind ;)

I have only taken it bucket off once, that was to put on the Bobtach. When I got the Bobtach it was for purpose of switching from bucket to spear and back quickly. After getting the Bobtach and the bale spear, switching is so fast and easy I have since added an extra bucket, 1 smooth edge the other with teeth and a grapple, and set of pallet forks.
 
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I got my 3 point spear for a very reasonable price. I spear a bale on the rear first for ballast, then pick up bales with my pallet forks in front. Pallet forks for the front bale are nice because they aren't limited to one task.yes, I do sometimes get dirt with the forks when I scoot them below the bale.
 
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If I would have had pallet forks before getting the spear I wouldn't have the spear. Only advantage I've found the the spear is lighter weight and is easier to stack and pull back off the top row.
 
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After examining all the photos again, I must have missed the one earlier on the hooks on the bucket. Good job of getting them around the bale. LOTs of work but effective and by having the bucket tilted up, you stay fairly close to the tractor. I dont think those loose wrapped bales will weigh more than 800 pounds when green (freshly baled) and certainly not 1000 pounds when dried out for a few month. A 5x5 bale has to be tightly baled to weigh 1000 pounds.
A bush hog is likely the best at using its weight effectively to counteract FEL forces. It gives you plenty of counter weight for task with the FEL but it does make the tractor train fairly long so it isnt very maneuverable in tight spots. Even a light weight 6 foot bush hog is going to weigh about 800 and being hung far back from the tractor gives you much more counterbalance than the same 800# on the lift arms between the pins like a ballast box is. I dont think you can beat a back hoe for counterweight, but at $7K purchase price or more, it is expensive counter weight.
Regarding 3 PH bale spears, they can be found really cheap (around $100) on Craigslist but the real drawback to them is not only can you not stack with them, but you cant unload a trailer with them either. They are only good for moving them around from ground level. So until you can get enough saved to put on a QA attachment on your tractor so you can swap attachments and purchase some hay spears or pallet forks, I think you have the best idea already for moving them. Now if you could just get those straps under each bale when they are being loaded on your trailer, then you would be good to go when you got home to unload. You wouldnt necessarily need but one of those straps in the center if is was cinched down tight as those straps look like the 10,000 pound rating ones that I have, way overkill for a <1000 lift. A 2500# rating would be more than enough. It might swing around a bit though with only one strap which could be trouble , but you could add a tag line (rope on one or both ends that is tied off to the FEL) to keep it from swinging.
 
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After owning several tractors without SSQA and now One that I installed SSQA on, and now my new Kioti that came with it.. I would never be without it again. I also have 2 buckets and a set of pallet forks.. If I had to move any hay I would sure have a hay spear.. There are more SSQA things in my future for sure.. Pin On is not very user friendly. SSQA is.

James K0UA
 
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Very timely thread. We are going to look at haylage round bales on Wednesday. Farmer says they are 1,100 pounds. I got 2 round bales of hay last year that were around 800 pounds. Put a chain around it and lifted it with the front bucket, the whole bale was in front of the bucket. Good idea to have it hang under the bucket so you can lift more. I have my backhoe on so makes for good ballast when lifting that type of weight.
 
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You could just park the trailer near where you want to place the bales, after loading the bales on the ratchet straps and attaching them to the back of the trailer. Take the other end of the straps over the bales and attach that to the rear of the tractor and drive slowly forward. That will pull the bales down the ramp. No lifting involved!
 
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anybody suspending these bales under the loader on straps should remember that they are going to swing like a pendulum, both forward-backward and side to side. If you drive on a slope with the loader high and the bale swings it can pull you over onto your side very easily and with short warning.
 
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anybody suspending these bales under the loader on straps should remember that they are going to swing like a pendulum, both forward-backward and side to side. If you drive on a slope with the loader high and the bale swings it can pull you over onto your side very easily and with short warning.

Indeed. That was one of my biggest concerns. The path I drove was almost totally level, but there is a section that has a bit of a dip, and even that had me very nervous and crawling along at the slowest pace.
 
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You could just park the trailer near where you want to place the bales, after loading the bales on the ratchet straps and attaching them to the back of the trailer. Take the other end of the straps over the bales and attach that to the rear of the tractor and drive slowly forward. That will pull the bales down the ramp. No lifting involved!

That's very clever. I hadn't thought of it. I will keep it in mind for the future.
 
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If I would have had pallet forks before getting the spear I wouldn't have the spear. Only advantage I've found the the spear is lighter weight and is easier to stack and pull back off the top row.

I read a story on here about a guy who was lifting round bales with pallet forks. Only problem is, if you try to stack with them, it only takes one mistake with the "curl" control to turn the bale back onto yourself. Whereas with a spear through the bale, it is properly secured. He lucked out and didn't hurt himself, but he said he'd never do it again. Then again, he was stacking three high, so maybe if you didn't push the envelope so much, it'd be okay.
 

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