My brush with TSA

[Bird]

Missouri law reads the same as the federal statutes in that a retiree need department ID and proof of yearly qualification from their department. I have the ID and badge stamped RETIRED, but no certification card. As a result, I have to renew my CCW every year and have the same restriction as to where I can carry as a civilian. Retirees with all the paperwork can carry anywhere an active duty officer can carry.

Yeah, when I retired, I got a little green card with my name, rank, and i think the date I retired. When the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 passed, I went to the headquarters and they made me a pretty multi-colored new ID card with name, rank, badge number, date I was hired, a photo, and "Honorably retired 24 years" . I retired 2 months and 5 days short of 25 years, but the ID cards and retirement plaques only use full years. Then I also have a little blue card with big letters Honorably Retired Peace Officer, Certificate of Proficiency, my name, date (month & year) and Dallas Police Department Firearms Training on the front while the back shows the sectons of the Texas Penal Code and the federal law complied with and that it expires in one year under the federal law and 2 years under the Texas law. Of course I get a new "Certificate of Proficiency" each time I go qualify.

Now the CCW (in Texas, it's CHL - concealed handgun license) is just too expensive. As a retired officer, do you have to pay the same as everyone else to obtain yours?

 

[TripleR]

Yeah, when I retired, I got a little green card with my name, rank, and i think the date I retired. When the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 passed, I went to the headquarters and they made me a pretty multi-colored new ID card with name, rank, badge number, date I was hired, a photo, and "Honorably retired 24 years" . I retired 2 months and 5 days short of 25 years, but the ID cards and retirement plaques only use full years. Then I also have a little blue card with big letters Honorably Retired Peace Officer, Certificate of Proficiency, my name, date (month & year) and Dallas Police Department Firearms Training on the front while the back shows the sections of the Texas Penal Code and the federal law complied with and that it expires in one year under the federal law and 2 years under the Texas law. Of course I get a new "Certificate of Proficiency" each time I go qualify.

Now the CCW (in Texas, it's CHL - concealed handgun license) is just too expensive. As a retired officer, do you have to pay the same as everyone else to obtain yours?

Texas sounds like it has a really good system. When I retired in 2007, my ID Card was sent to Central Office in Jefferson City and stamped RETIRED. I had to turn my badge in, but ordered one from Blackington with RETIRED in block letters. My old badge was mounted in a plaque to hang on my wall. I was supposed to turn my certification card in, but didn't so I was covered for a while.

Missouri was pretty late to the game on approving CCW permits due to St. Louis and Kansas City. The Governor vetoed it and when it was over ridden. A suit was filed by St. Louis and it had to work its way through the courts.

As a result of all the wrangling, I actually had to sit through and pay for a CCW class. That was changed the following year and I pay the same for renewal as everyone else.

One good thing about me having to take a class, I convinced my wife to go get hers too.

 

[5030]

Yeah, when I retired, I got a little green card with my name, rank, and i think the date I retired. When the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 passed, I went to the headquarters and they made me a pretty multi-colored new ID card with name, rank, badge number, date I was hired, a photo, and "Honorably retired 24 years" . I retired 2 months and 5 days short of 25 years, but the ID cards and retirement plaques only use full years. Then I also have a little blue card with big letters Honorably Retired Peace Officer, Certificate of Proficiency, my name, date (month & year) and Dallas Police Department Firearms Training on the front while the back shows the sectons of the Texas Penal Code and the federal law complied with and that it expires in one year under the federal law and 2 years under the Texas law. Of course I get a new "Certificate of Proficiency" each time I go qualify.

Now the CCW (in Texas, it's CHL - concealed handgun license) is just too expensive. As a retired officer, do you have to pay the same as everyone else to obtain yours?

That's interesting. Yours should be free. You did your time why should you pay now?? I remember from the past you had mentioned that you were a Dallas officer......

Texas sounds like it has a really good system. When I retired in 2007, my ID Card was sent to Central Office in Jefferson City and stamped RETIRED. I had to turn my badge in, but ordered one from Blackington with RETIRED in block letters. My old badge was mounted in a plaque to hang on my wall. I was supposed to turn my certification card in, but didn't so I was covered for a while.

Missouri was pretty late to the game on approving CCW permits due to St. Louis and Kansas City. The Governor vetoed it and when it was over ridden. A suit was filed by St. Louis and it had to work its way through the courts.

As a result of all the wrangling, I actually had to sit through and pay for a CCW class. That was changed the following year and I pay the same for renewal as everyone else.

One good thing about me having to take a class, I convinced my wife to go get hers too.

Here in Michigan it costs $105.00 every 5 years for renewal. I got mine simply because I work on firearms off and on, trigger jobs, chambering, mounting optics, etc., and I'm transporting firearms that aren't mine and it makes it much easier to buy (over the counter) firearms, especially handguns.

Since I've had mine, I don't believe I've carried concealed once. I have holsters but really no reason. I'm not a person to 'want to carry for personal protection anyway'.

Here, you have to take an NRA approved course with accredited instructors at an accredited range, both classroom and hands on range shooting. The 'club' I belong to has the course so I took it. I was waived from the actual shooting because I shoot competition match pistol so I wasn't required to shoot their mandatory 100 rounds. I did anyway. One, the club provides a lunch and I never miss a feed.... and two, I'm a brass farmer so there was an opportunity to 'harvest' brass and it was a bountiful harvest.

The class I was in had 22 participants and at the range, all but one was shooting either a 45. 38, 357 or 44. The one was me. I had my match .22 semi-auto with me so I used that. The bulk of the class expended mostly .45's so I was harvesting mostly .45 straight walled, once fired cases, almost a half full 5 gallon bucket..... a reloaders dream (me).

The class was about half women and half men and from what I observed, the women tended to be in their 40's while the men tended to be a bit older. of course, just taking the class was no guarantee of receiving the concealed carry permit, only the prerequisite. The permit application still had to be reviewed by the local gun board and Michigan is fairly anti-handgun oriented.

It took me 4 months to receive mine.

 

[Soundguy]

Here in Michigan it costs $105.00 every 5 years for renewal. .

wow.

here in fl.. I believe my last renewal was 6ys and about 72$

soundguy

 

[ultrarunner]

When you re-qualify here and renew your CCWP, you are only allowed to carry the gun(s) you qualified with... so it can get cumbersome if you want to carry different weapons.

If your qualified weapon is out of service, you first need to receive temporary permission to carry a substitute... even if it is identical because the permit has the serial number for the weapon you are permitted to carry.

My neighbor has had one for 30 years and has gone through all of the changes over the years.

As a buyer in the meat business... most of the transactions with independents are done in cash... lots of cash.

In 30 years only had one time where he needed his weapon... late at night at a stop light noticed a man approaching the drivers window of his car and no seen to him another guy approached the blind spot on the passenger side and both tried to enter the car... he pulled his weapon and one yelled to the other and they both fled...

 

[Treemonkey1000]

This thread has sort of blasted away from being about TSA agents and all. Although I am learning more by reading the post. I've had my Concealed permit for 25+years.. I taught my daughter how to use the pistols. But the first thing I told her to grab if someone is trying to break in is a short barrel 12 gauge. No worries about aiming too much. If they don't get the message looking down that honking barrel then they may be whacked out on drugs or something. Pull the trigger on that and they may end their evil ways.. The issues with a pistol or rifle is collateral damage if the bullet goes through the house into the neighbors places..

 

[Bird]

When I retired in 2007, my ID Card was sent to Central Office in Jefferson City and stamped RETIRED. I had to turn my badge in, but ordered one from Blackington with RETIRED in block letters. My old badge was mounted in a plaque to hang on my wall.

When I started, we were required to go armed at all times away from the house, and had to carry our badge and warrant of appointment. So I guess we all had badge cases, had to take the badge off the uniform, put it in the case when we got off duty, then put it back on the uniform when we went to work. We were only allowed to have one badge and it had to be turned in if an officer left before retirement, or, as you said, at retirement, it was mounted on a walnut plaque. So the badge I wore on the uniform is on that plaque. But a couple of years before I retired, they changed the rule and we could have a second badge; looks identical but is actually glued into a badge case, and we had to pay for it if we wanted one so there was not changing back and forth.. So I do have that badge & badge case. There's nothing on that badge to show I'm retired, but the ID card in the case with it does.

Since I've had mine, I don't believe I've carried concealed once. I have holsters but really no reason. I'm not a person to 'want to carry for personal protection anyway'.

:laughing:When I retired, Texas had no CHL. In order to carry legally, you had to be an active duty police officer or military. Of course, as always, with a few exceptions; i.e., to or from a firing range or the place you bought or had one repaired, etc. Anyway, retired officers were no longer authorized to carry a handgun. And that was OK with me. I just didn't carry one. When they came out with the initial CHL law, I checked and found it would be pretty expensive and I just didn't need it. They later changed the law so a retiring officer, with a letter from his department head, could get a CHL much cheaper, but it had to be within one year of retiring. So when the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 passed, I went and got the new ID card and qualified with my old city issued .38, more out of curiosity than anything, but I still didn't see any need to carry one. But then my wife has always thought I should be carrying one, and a retired lieutenant who used to work for me said he thought I should be carrying. When I said, "I've never needed one yet" he said, "Well, if not for yourself, you might need it to protect someone else someday." So I do carry one quite a bit, but I sometimes forget, and sometimes forget on purpose.:laughing:

When you re-qualify here and renew your CCWP, you are only allowed to carry the gun(s) you qualified with... so it can get cumbersome if you want to carry different weapons.

Active duty Dallas officers must qualify with the specific weapon or weapons they will carry and that's by brand, model, caliber, and serial number. Retirees and CHL holders don't have that same restriction. However, if they qualify with a revolver, then revolvers are all they can carry, but if they qualify with a semi-auto, they can then carry either.

 

[TripleR]

When I started, we were required to go armed at all times away from the house, and had to carry our badge and warrant of appointment. So I guess we all had badge cases, had to take the badge off the uniform, put it in the case when we got off duty, then put it back on the uniform when we went to work. We were only allowed to have one badge and it had to be turned in if an officer left before retirement, or, as you said, at retirement, it was mounted on a walnut plaque. So the badge I wore on the uniform is on that plaque. But a couple of years before I retired, they changed the rule and we could have a second badge; looks identical but is actually glued into a badge case, and we had to pay for it if we wanted one so there was not changing back and forth.. So I do have that badge & badge case. There's nothing on that badge to show I'm retired, but the ID card in the case with it does.

:laughing:When I retired, Texas had no CHL. In order to carry legally, you had to be an active duty police officer or military. Of course, as always, with a few exceptions; i.e., to or from a firing range or the place you bought or had one repaired, etc. Anyway, retired officers were no longer authorized to carry a handgun. And that was OK with me. I just didn't carry one. When they came out with the initial CHL law, I checked and found it would be pretty expensive and I just didn't need it. They later changed the law so a retiring officer, with a letter from his department head, could get a CHL much cheaper, but it had to be within one year of retiring. So when the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 passed, I went and got the new ID card and qualified with my old city issued .38, more out of curiosity than anything, but I still didn't see any need to carry one. But then my wife has always thought I should be carrying one, and a retired lieutenant who used to work for me said he thought I should be carrying. When I said, "I've never needed one yet" he said, "Well, if not for yourself, you might need it to protect someone else someday." So I do carry one quite a bit, but I sometimes forget, and sometimes forget on purpose.:laughing:

For quite a few years, we could only carry a firearm with specific permission from our Supervisor and then only when an identifiable threat was present and then only for a specific time period. Some district offices had one "Office Gun" you could check out when needed. If you got caught with a badge, you would be disciplined. I began in the heart of Kansas City and not many paid any attention to the "Operations Manual". Legislation later had to be passed for us to be armed, have badge/badges and an ID that didn't look like it came out of cereal box.

We changed badges and rules so often I have a couple extra lying around; total waste of money. Before I retired, we too had the "one badge" policy and we were required to have it on our belt next to our weapon with our ID in a badge case with no badge; looked kinda funny.

Like you, after I retired, I kind of lost interest in carrying a weapon, but got to thinking of what I had seen and heard over the years. Our house was broken into twice and my son walked in on some burglars one time, so I always "cleared the house" before letting the family in after being away a while. I certainly don't want to walk into my house and face someone stealing stuff even armed, but sure as heck not without a gun. Someone tried to "car jack" my son down at our barn once. He is a former VBSS in the Navy, 82nd Airborne and was a Police Officer at the time and firearms instructor, so you can imagine how that turned out. If it had been me, no telling what would have happened.

Having dealt with criminals, we both know you can't usually tell them from anyone else and things can go from OK to O-s*** in a second, so I started carrying again for pretty much the same reason you did. I know it is a tired old saying, but "Better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it." None of us are clairvoyant.

Missouri is a Shall Issue state and if you have no criminal record, the Sheriff cannot deny you a permit. You provide your prints and they are sent in for a full check and a few days later, you have your permit. It has to be renewed every three years.

For everyone else, sorry to have strayed so far off topic, I know that never has happened on here before.:laughing:

 

[Bird]

My old badge was mounted in a plaque to hang on my wall.

Yes, I'm afraid I strayed from the original intent of the thread, but now . . . well, here's my retirement plaque and on the wall right above it is a clock that a cousin bought as a retirement gift for me. The clock was made by one of our officers, since deceased. He was in that business after he retired from the police department.

 

[Treemonkey1000]

Yes, I'm afraid I strayed from the original intent of the thread, but now . . . well, here's my retirement plaque and on the wall right above it is a clock that a cousin bought as a retirement gift for me. The clock was made by one of our officers, since deceased. He was in that business after he retired from the police department.

That is ok I salute you and all others that Serve and protect our land! :thumbsup: