My close call captured with camera...

[skargo]

There are several models that don't have a clutch pedal. I would also say that on the ones that do have a pedal, the owners would be less likely to use it than the owner of a gear tractor because they weren't use to using it. The thing here is that the OP was luck no matter what tranny he had.

Cool, glad my TC30 has a clutch pedal! My rock crawling rig has a manual, so my first instinct would be to push in the clutch pedal.

 

[davitk]

The thing here is that the OP was luck no matter what tranny he had.

Nah, he wasn't even close to going over with that three point stance (two front tires and the tree )

 

[radman1]

You maybe lucky your front wd gears, axle or driveshaft break. You have tremendous force on the front end, especially with the weight of the hoe on the back. I nearly trashed my front end on my JD 5300. Digging forward in hard dirt, low gear, ag tires and fluid in the rears. Had the rear end nearly off the ground, lifting with the loader and all the stress on the front. Heard a pop and luckily didn't do any real damage. Later had the front end worked on because of a driveshaft issue. Mechanic said the front gear was a little chewed up but should be OK. My guess, I slipped a little in the gears on that occassion. I still dig with it but don't get as aggressive.

To be honest, I don't think you would have tipped it over with the lifted height of the rear end but still scary. The front axle would have stopped the tip, especially with the amount of weight on the front but best not to test it again.

 

[Egon]

For my little tractor that is a common operating position when using the bucket.

On the HST type tractors a easing off the forward motion pedal will bring things to a stop and there is always a hand on the joystick.

 

[flusher]

I had already severed all the roots around the tree, pushed it over from side to side but the FEL would not pull it out of the ground. I assumed the little tallow tree had a good sized tap root that I could not get to even with the ripper tooth.

After a long day of digging stumps in 95+ degree weather I was loosing my patience with the thing.. The wife was taking a few pictures for the scrap book of the progress on the property.

This pictures shows me lifting and slowing backing up, the R/R tire ran up on spoils of the digging so I knew I had to get another angle:

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I tried this approach and still no go.. Should have gotten off an fetched an axe

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So Im backing up in double low.. Love the HST+ Im focused on the stump coming up... I think I got it... I realize I feel the left rear going up I thought I was backing up on spoils again so I continue on until my wife screams at me after realizing what she saw through the camera:

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I guess the moral of my story your judgement can be impared by heat, frustration etc. do not get tunnel vision as I did focusing only on the stump coming up and not my surroundings... I am thankful for the HST as well, I felt no real threat of turning over, I simply let off the pedal and eased forward...

Be safe out there.. Chuck.

FELs are designed for pushing and lifting, not pulling. Not surprising you got yourself into this predicament. And you didn't do your front axles any favor by doing that reverse wheelie.

You pull with the drawbar. I suppose since your Bota is configured as a TLB, the drawbar is not attached when the backhoe is in place. I would have dropped the backhoe, attached the drawbar and then moved that tree. Or is that backhoe permanently attached?

 

[Double Orange]

FELs are designed for pushing and lifting, not pulling. Not surprising you got yourself into this predicament. And you didn't do your front axles any favor by doing that reverse wheelie.

You pull with the drawbar. I suppose since your Bota is configured as a TLB, the drawbar is not attached when the backhoe is in place. I would have dropped the backhoe, attached the drawbar and then moved that tree. Or is that backhoe permanently attached?

That is the 1st correct answer.
Pulling with your loader will treeke the loader arms.


Sorry the tractor police in me came out!

I'm glad everything worked out.
P.S.
Rumor has it that while you where inside the wife snached it out w/the Back/Hoe

 

[Renze]

I realize I feel the left rear going up I thought I was backing up on spoils again so I continue on until my wife screams at me after realizing what she saw through the camera:

i did that too last week, whilst lifting a large pallet full of drywall.. I didnt have weight on the back, like your backhoe, but if i had, it would have prevented it.

I think i must fill the rear tires, because my loader lifts the rear end off the ground before bypassing oil through the safety relief...

Last winter i was crossing some ruts, after picking a bale high off the stack. I was focused on the ruts, not on the bale which was still at 3.5 meters above the ground.. when the tractor started to tip, i sure was quick to lower that bale, in a reflex. Didnt even have to think, i just did
with the bale now lower than the center of gravty of the tractor, i was quickly back on all 4 wheels.

 

[tjkadar]

Pretty cool that the wife snapped the photo and then yelled out a warning. Gotta get the pic first!

 

[Chuck K.]

You pull with the drawbar. I suppose since your Bota is configured as a TLB, the drawbar is not attached when the backhoe is in place. I would have dropped the backhoe, attached the drawbar and then moved that tree. Or is that backhoe permanently attached?

No, the B/H is not permanently attached, it never crossed my mind to go through the trouble of removing it and pulling from the draw bar... I was not trying to pull the tree out of the ground but lift it up and out of the hole and drag in into the burn pile. The large hidden tab route was the culprit of my problem..

I'm glad everything worked out.
P.S.
Rumor has it that while you where inside the wife snached it out w/the Back/Hoe

Man dont give her no ideas.. I could see here backing up to it with 1/2" chain and taking a running start to try and jerk it out of the ground I know this because it was suggested to try it.

Heard a pop and luckily didn't do any real damage. Later had the front end worked on because of a driveshaft issue. Mechanic said the front gear was a little chewed up but should be OK. My guess, I slipped a little in the gears on that occassion. I still dig with it but don't get as aggressive

As an ex-auto mechanic I can not imagine a pinion gear slipping on a ring gear without some serious damage.. Maybe tractor ring an pinions are sep up differently I cant see how but I would be surprised if it does not come back to give you trouble in the near future.

 

[IslandTractor]

I am surprised people are responding that this will hurt the tractor or is particularly dangerous. You have a heavy duty tractor that has a loader rated to lift over 2000lbs to full height and can probably lift 4000lbs a few feet off the ground. The front axle is designed for that and has a safety margin engineered in. How many Kubota owners have broken their front axles using the FEL?

I also have a tractor with a loader that is perfectly capable of lifting the rear wheels off the ground when I am grappling a stump or trying to lift too heavy a load. I don't leave myself suspended in midair for ever but my rear wheels come off the ground not infrequently when clearing brush with a grapple. I also sometimes have a BH (same model) mounted and always have at least a 600lb implement on the back.

It is also not terribly dangerous unless you don't know what is happening. The worst that could happen now that both rear wheels are off the ground is that the stump could come flying out and land in your lap. Unlikely. If the stump starts to pull out or snap the rear wheels will sit down rapidly like you went over an unseen ditch or log while mowing. Uncomfortable to be sure but again I think these machines are engineered for that. Worse would be if only one wheel came off the ground because the loader was assymmetrically loaded because then any further loader force would tend to tip the tractor over further and you could flip it. Once both rears are off the ground you are not very likely to continue to lift and even if you do you'll quickly run out of loader power or reach an uncomfortable angle and stop. The tractor is now a tripod which is pretty stable.