My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y.

   / My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y.
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#31  
Thanks for the suggestion, Jack.

What sort of results did you obtain from the use of rubber tire chains? Are they easier and quicker to install than steel chains?

(In one forum discussion, I read what sounds like a good idea: partially deflate the tires before mounting the chains, then reinflate to the proper pressure after the chains have been mounted.)
 
   / My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y. #32  
JJM,

I only used the rubber chains so I have no comparison to all steel. However, the website offering the rubber chains says they make no claim to TRACTION superior to steel. The rubber chains give you traction like bar tires but do not scratch the pavement like steel chains do.

Yes, reducing the tire inflation pressure is definitely important in mounting any type of tire chain--rubber or steel.

Again, the size you need are not a standard offering of the company that makes rubber chains. They may be able to make the correct size as a special request.

I recommend you first try without chains. The tires on a Ventrac are not turf tires. They are All Terrain vehicle tires that do well in turf as well as snow.

Jack
 
   / My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y.
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#33  
Hi, Jack.

I have no experience with agricultural or industrial tires on either snow or ice, so I don't make any pretensions to expertise. From what I have read, HDAPs, ag tires and industrial tires can do OK in snow but when there is a film of ice, they can spin just as turf or road tires can do. I suppose that the same is true of rubber "chains."

I do have several years' experience dealing with our driveway and road tires. Two of the cars here are rear-wheel drive with ABS (electronically pulsed disc brakes to suppress skidding) and a traction mode that enhances the sensitivity of the ABS. One of the cars has a five-speed automatic transmission; the other has a five-speed manual gearbox. The cars have roughly the same dimensions, but one is about 1,000 pounds heavier because it is a convertible. The tires (Michelin radials in both cases) are somewhat larger and wider on the convertible.

Both cars struggle to get up three of the slopes on the driveway if there is ~ an inch of snow or more on the pavement. This is true even though the pavement itself is a fairly coarse aggregate (mildly rough surface) to enhance traction. We keep sets of Rud emergency chains to slip on those cars if it looks as if one or the other of them will need help.

A third car here has front wheel drive, and it is not driven more than a few thousand miles per year, and almost never at highway speeds. That car has Michelin snow tires on it year-round. Considering how little that car is driven, it's not worth the bother of removing the snow tires for the warmer months, and having to store a set of tires off-season. This third car does a good bit better than the two rear-wheel drive cars, but it, too will have trouble climbing the slopes if there's a bottom layer of ice with snow on top.

We ourselves need to add ice-grips to the bottoms of our shoes or boots when we take our dog out for a constitutional. Otherwise, it can be very difficult, if not impossible, to get down and then back up the driveway without slipping and falling. I guess it is the price one pays for living on top of a hill. At least we don't have to worry about the basement flooding.

Perhaps I am over-analyzing all of this. If so, I apologize for bending your ear. I should have no problems getting down the slopes at least one time, if there is a bottom layer of ice with snow on top of the ice. I suppose that between the tires themselves and the skid shoes on the snow blower, or the bristles of the broom, I would not go sliding down the hill. I could keep a couple of weatherproof bins filled with coarse sand or rock salt (or a mixture of both), with hand scoops, on the side of the driveway, in the worst spots, that I could use if I have difficulty getting back up the slopes after the initial run downhill. I just don't want to get stuck part-way up the hill.

Thanks again for your insights.
 
   / My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y. #34  
JJM,

Do you have a concern about steel chains leaving scrape marks on blacktop or concrete driveways? If not, steel chains may do better on ice.

Your thoughts of barrels of a salt/sand mix make a lot of sense.

Jack
 
   / My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y.
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#35  
Hi, Jack.

The driveway is blacktop. It has not been refreshed in some years, and that it something that I will have to address one of these years. Perhaps after winning that lottery and buying the Ventrac heated cab, broadcast spreader, and other attachments on my want-list.

I am not too concerned about scuff marks. In my experience with the Rud chains, the marks are modest.. surface only, and normally fade into the background after a couple of weeks.

The only real damage that I have seen chains make on the driveway is when wheels have spun out. This happened last Winter on a part of the driveway that I share with two neighbors, down closer to the road. One of the neighbors had lost traction trying to climb the first grade from the road (the only grade that she has to deal with, not counting the apron). She ended up sliding backward, off the driveway, at an angle onto the shoulder, and almost down into a dell. She had a tow truck come to pull the car back onto the blacktop and up to her house. The tow truck had chains on it, but the wheels spun out as it was trying to get the car moving uphill and back onto the blacktop. The chains gouged out some blacktop, making it look like a bear with tungsten-steel claws had done some scraping with its claws.

Strategically placed weatherproof bins of a salt/sand mix is probably the best solution. No need to mount and dismount chains, no risk of gouges.

I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of the machine and the attachments. Probably the middle part of the coming week.

With best regards,

JJM
 
   / My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y. #36  
JJM,

You will be expected to provide many photos of the new equipment when it arrives as well as your applications throughout the year.

Jack
 
   / My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y. #37  
Do you have a lot of ice? I've been using the Steiners for 24 yrs in the winter and the Ventrac for 3 and never used chains,they have good traction.
 
   / My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y.
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#38  
On occasion we have ice storms, sometimes followed by snow, or snow first, ice second. A few years ago, we had an ice storm that left us without electrical power for several days. Without electrical power, we have no water pressure, and no central heating. We do have three fireplaces, in the center of the house. It stayed pretty warm in those rooms. However, it got pretty chilly at both ends of the house (bedrooms). The down comforters were great to have on those nights.

I am glad to hear of your experience, Raw Dodge. It would be nice not to have to mess with chains.

And Jack, yes, I understand that pictures are expected. ;-)
 
   / My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y. #39  
Welcome to the world of Ventrac ! I'm sorry that this is the first time I've seen this thread.

You will love your Ventrac - especially with all the slopes you described in your first post.
 
   / My First Tractor will be a Ventrac 4500Y.
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#40  
Welcome to the world of Ventrac ! I'm sorry that this is the first time I've seen this thread.

You will love your Ventrac - especially with all the slopes you described in your first post.

Thank you, BKBrown, for your words of encouragement. No apology is necessary.

I am looking forward to the tractor's arrival.
 

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