My Solar Panel Power Project

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Here is a shot of the AC wiring in the inverter shed. Nothing fancy. I did put in a light and outlet in case I have to work on anything.

The other shot is the reverse power (power I have fed the grid) as of this morning. 6 KHW, so I've made 90 cents so far today. This is not a get rich quick scheme :laughing:
 

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Here are three shots from the display on the inverter. You can see the DC volts from the array, the DC amps, and the AC power out in Watts. The inverter claims to be 96% efficient. There is some variance here since these are real time values and the pictures were taken at different times, but it looks close enough for me.

Next step is to work on the wiring and sensors for logging the array power out and the power the house uses. That's going to take a month or so.

Pete
 

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Okay very interesting, But how much did it cost and how many years do you expect payback to take.

jake
 
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Aside from why you did this in the first place - did you look at tracking systems instead of the fixed array and if so what swayed you to the fixed system?
 
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You sure have been busy Pete. Very nice project. I wondered too about the panel angle, not tracking so much as being able to set a Winter and Summer angle for the collectors.

It's nice you can have your array near the ground, don't need height for snow slide off accumulation in your area I'm thinking. :)

Thanks for sharing.
Dave.
 
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Very cool. I also am wondering about the cost. I have researched solar several times and always found it to be cost prohibitive.
 
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Good Write-Up!

Make sure you post the output and how it's working out in the future.

I Like It!
 
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I've looked into it and the cost just doesn't justify doing it for me. I really do like the idea of not having to pay for power. But Vermont isn't one of the sunny states so that pushes out the ROI time. Does your state have a special price the utility must pay you for the power or do they just give you wholesale price. I don't know for sure but I've been told the new digital meters track both in coming and returning power independently so they know how much you've supplied.
 
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Costs:

Cells, rails, hardware: 31,700
10 KW inverter: 5900
Wire, conduit, panels: 565
Shed: 1000 (need to go through invoices and get that nailed down better, lots of Lowes trips....
Concrete & labor: 450 (I hired a local group to help with labor- a good idea)

Total: $ 39,615

After Fed and State tax credits, it should be about $20K. I'm not including my labor.

I have a contract to buy $1669 worth of power each year, which in the narrowest sense of "payback" means 12 years. The system has a 20 year life, where that means it outputs 90% of it's original capacity.

Most discussions of payback have subtle biases built in. I'll bet very few tractor owners can come up with a payback time for their equipment. So payback times tend to be things people manipulate to justify what they wanted in the first place. Seems unlikely I'm that objective and an exception to the rule.

Things that modify the payback time are:
Future cost of electricity and if a time of use billing goes into effect.
Cost of lost opportunity of money (think "If I had left that money in a money market or bond fund, would I be better off in 20 years?")
Is your labor really free? Cost of lost opportunity for my time.

So if power cost don't increase, and interest rates or bond rates go back up into the 5-7 percent range, I should have kept my money. If this area went to a 30 cents per KWH time of day use (like some parts of California) and the interest rates and bond rates stay below 2.5%, I look like a genius with a 6 year payback and making about $2700 per year or so.

If you look at this from a strictly economic point of view, you can't justify it. But by the same stringent rules, I couldn't justify my tractors (vs. hiring the big jobs out). At this point in the solar game, people playing have justifications beyond the simple economics.

As for the tracking system and panel angle, this fixed array is certainly the simplest thing to do in terms of moving cost and semi-anual maintenance. It is probably representative of what you would see in a residential environment. Which leads me to part of the why:

I was ready to launch a home automation product in 2009 that is best for new residential construction in the 3000 to 6000 sq foot home size. Yeah, I can call them all right :laughing:. But there are lots of people spending $10K to $100K on solar panels. With no new software or sensors, I can monitor all that stuff so they can look at their energy use and generation from the house or office. And then after that there's a "Oh yeah, it also does home automation too" moment. So this will let me learn all about this sort of thing and help me start up a new business.

In my county in NC alone there are 46 small PV installations, and over 330 in the state. Another part of "why" is because it is an interesting project and I enjoyed doing it. Being an early adopter is usually tricky and expensive. I know people who paid $5K in 1985 (or about $15K in todays dollars) to by a IBM PC with a _full_ 620K (or so) so they could type letters and write programs. I spent $2K in 1983 for an 8 Mbyte hard drive for my home computer I built. I spent $2.5K in 1971 for a used PDP-8 computer. All that paid of handsomely as time marched on. If I had waited for computers to become economically viable, the catch up game on the technology would have been too much.

I mentioned at the start of this post about biases, I want mine to be clear and fully admit that on economics alone, solar PV is not there.

I'm going to do about 3 posts next with a thought on solar PV power. A heads up to the monitors of the site, if it's too off topic or deemed political nuke it and there will be no hard feelings. I think there are some interesting aspects to solar PV down the road that are worth thinking about. Lets NOT have a thread about global warming, energy tax subsides, and the like. Those have been beaten to death already. I'm just trying to explain what I did, give some of my thoughts as to why I did it, and then get people to think about what (if any) role solar PV might have for the U.S.

Pete
 
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Solar Power thoughts, part 1:
Note: for some reason, single and double quotes get turned into extended character sets when I cut and paste from a document. I have tried to catch all these. Not sure what is going on here...

Solar photovoltaic cells (PV cells) are silicon based devices that can turn sunlight into electricity. The cells are housed in an aluminum frame, backed by plastic, covered by glass. These are called a panel. A typical panel is about 2 feet by 4 feet and weights about 50 pounds.
The panels are specified by what their maximum output power is, in Watts. They output a certain voltage (around 36 to 44 volts) as some current (around 4 to 8 amps). Several panels are wired in series to obtain voltages in the 280 to 450 volts range.

Now lets look at a specific case, a 2 kilowatt (2 KW) system. It might have 10 200 watt panels. Physically, there might be two sets of rails supporting 5 panels each and the entire assembly would weigh about 600 pounds. This could be mounted on a rooftop or on the ground. The mounting system would require 4 or 6 attachment points, depending on location, weather conditions, means of attachment to a roof and the like. The panels have a 20 year life, so if the panels are installed at the same time as a shingle roof, the difficulty accessing the roof should not be an issue- both run out of life about the same time.

So now we have solar panels on the ground or roof, and they will put out about 2KW of direct current (DC) power peak (when the sun is shining bright and high overhead). We want to take this energy and feed it back into the utility grid. So we need a grid tie system. A device called an inverter takes the DC and makes alternating current (AC) at 240 volts (the stuff your house uses). The inverter takes the DC in and makes AC out and in doing so supplies the grid with power. The inverter is on the order of 75 to 95% efficient, we will use a value of 90%. So the 2 KW of DC in will output 1800 watts of AC out. The actual output power can vary from as low as a 100 Watts up to the full 1800 Watts depending on how much sun there is and the angle of the sun.

Now lets think about a 3 ton (or 36,000 BTU) heat pump with a dual speed compressor. At low speed, it runs at about one half the rating and at high speed it runs at rating. This unit will draw about 4 amps or very roughly one kilowatt at the half compressor speed. It will pull about 7.5 amps or about 1800 watts at full power. This size unit is used for houses in the range of 1500 to 2500 square feet, depending on climate, amount of insulation in the house, quality and surface area of windows, house orientation and occupancy load. What is interesting is that this unit can be considered to be the average size in a house.
 

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