My wife is divorcing me over coyotes

   / My wife is divorcing me over coyotes #11  
L'man,

We a coyote problem but nothing like yours thankfully.

I have started cutting back the brush near the house. Its open anywhere from 75 to 100 feet already but I'm clearing the brush out especially near the kids playset. My dad did call one coyote in one morning but he had my dog with him and she chased it away.

Unfortunately NC does not allow night hunting of coyotes which is BS.

Once I get more of the brush removed I'll go after the pests. I have seen them within 100 feet of the house. The took a yearling deer 20-30 feet off our bedroom one night. And I have found where they where eating deer parts 75-100 feet off my kids side of the house. The one I saw one morning showed no fear what so ever.

They need to go....

Later,
Dan
 
   / My wife is divorcing me over coyotes #12  
Be careful about publicizing your campaign of elimination. Some people aren't so considerate of the problems that coyotes present.

Remember the three S's: Shoot, Shovel, & SHUTUP.
 
   / My wife is divorcing me over coyotes #13  
Coyotes in packs will take out your two Labs and your kids with ease. Be smart and thin them out before this happens. The coyotes are not worth losing a dog or a child over. I can see why your city wife is just a little bit upset. If you don't cure the problem she will move back to the city where she thinks it is safe for the kids to play. As mentioned, raw meat and a distress call will bring them in quickly. We have the same coyote problem around me also in central Ma. There are quite a few people that hunt them down like rats illegaly. No one cares that this is happening and nobody misses their loud howling in the middle of the night.
 
   / My wife is divorcing me over coyotes #14  
How positive are you that they are coyotes?

The behavior you describe doesn't sound like coyotes to me, but more like a pack of wild dogs. Coyotes don't like human contact and go to allot of effort to avoid people. Even a large pack is no match for a healthy adult and you have very little to fear from them.

They will attack small children when left un-attended, but that's not what you described.

Having your dogs with you should have been plenty of a deterent. It doesn't matter the breed, they know the danger of humans and should not have been anywhere near you, regardless of their numbers.

A pack of wild dogs are totolly different and can be very dangerous. Most are abused pets that have been abandonded or escaped. They don't have the same fear of people that coyotes do and may actually go to homes for a source of food. Their experience with humans lends to there lack of fear.

Either way, you have a problem and you need to address it.

Shooting one isn't gonna do much and expecting to get more than one isn't very likely. Trapping isn't very productive either.

Poison is very effective,but it might be illegal.

Good luck,
Eddie
 
   / My wife is divorcing me over coyotes #15  
Laminarman,

I studied Coyotes a bit at our University......Read up on the breeding habits some. The last thing you want to do is start killing off the alpha female(s). The lesser fems will step up to take her place, except this time the top two fems will breed and so on down the line as they killed off. They'll breed earlier in life and more often when under attack.....this is their strategy for survival and makes it extremely hard to get rid of them, if not impossible as a part time endeavor. I would seriously look into alternatives to shooting/trapping. It might work short term, but they'll be back in numbers within a couple of years. Just something to think about.

We've had them right outside the door and a couple of times need to break out the 12ga. It is unnerving to say the least.
 
   / My wife is divorcing me over coyotes #16  
EddieWalker said:
Poison is very effective,but it might be illegal.


Poison is also non-discriminating killer. It should be avoided unless you want to accidentally kill your pets or one of your neighbor's pets.

Not all stray pets are bad. Sometimes they are just lost or curious. No need to kill everything that wanders by.

On the east coast there is a lot of hybridization of the coyote population. Lots of dog and wolf DNA is being found in the coyotes. They are different animals than the more pure and smaller west coast coyote.

If well fed the Coyotes around here are pretty shy. A good flashlight gets rid of them quickly. I think they are well fed as we have lots of rabbits too.

PB
 
   / My wife is divorcing me over coyotes #17  
Just a little info about coyotes and people. One of my neighbors almost lost her little dog to a couple coyotes a few years back. She beat them off with a broom. She was not more than 30 feet from the house on her lawn when they attacked.
 
   / My wife is divorcing me over coyotes #18  
OMG!!! OMG!!! I dont' have to go back and read your first post becasue I remember it clearly, very clearly. I also remember that I thought you should shoot the coyotes even at night even if it was against the law. I would talk with my neighbors first so that when they hear gunshos they won't worry.

When they were by your bedroom window, and I dont' care if it is dogs or coyotes or wolves, they were by your house, that is yoru domaine and the wild animals got to go. I am 100% on your wifes side. I would be scared well you know what comes next but this is a family forum so I can't say.

The ony way I would stay there was if there was a good fence that would keep the animals away and keep the children and I safe. I can safely say that your wife will never get over this. I remember very clearly every event where my children's safety was in danger and my kids are 31 & 25. She will never get over this. Of course you have to kill these animals but that would not be enough for me. I also would want that dog that was mentioned int he other post and a big fence. That is the only way I would even consider staying. This was a real trauma for all of you probably more for her and the kids than for you since you are a hunter, but even still we can read by your psots that it got to you as well.

I'm terrified just reading your story and I wasn't even there. I would want the fence all the way around my house with a remote control gate at the driveway entrance. Not even just a backyard fence would do it for me. I also would not stay in that house without the fence, it would be a "demand" (for lack of a better word) that I would not be able to negotiate. I could not live with the fear, I would have to move, with you or without you, but I would not stay without a fence. Even hunting them would not satisfy me, although I would want you to do that. Whatever your wife's "demands (again for lack of a bettr word), if you want to stay in the house in the country that you love, then whatever your wife wants I am 100% supportive of her. If I were in her place I would learn to shoot a gun and I never have had a desire to do that.

This thread just literally terrifies me. Sorry if I wrote to strongly, I was feeling a lot fo emotion when I wrote it.
 
   / My wife is divorcing me over coyotes #19  
Rox, One thing about coyotes is that they are good diggers. I don't think a fence is the answer. I do think eliminating them down to a few would help this guy out big time. A couple of German Shepherds and a few llamas would help too. A llama will kick the bejesus out of a coyote.
 
   / My wife is divorcing me over coyotes #20  
We have a pack around us. I hear them at night all the time. I've even heard them walking in the cobblestone, which surrounds the edge of the house, right under the window at night. I see their scat all the time. When the pack wanders away for a few months, the population of pocket gophers and jackrabbits go way up and I start getting a lot of gopher holes in the turf and eaten up plants in the garden. When the pack re-enters this part of their territory, those problems go away.

We are in a rural/ag area and people around here just don't have a problem with them. I have seen a couple of them pester a newborn calf in the daytime on the ranch next door, but I don't know of anyone reporting killed pets and certainly not children.

I used to be a professional guide, and have spent numerous multiple-week expeditions in the Rockies, Sierra, Appalachians, and southern coastal river swamps. I have encountered bobcats, black bears, wild boars, and coyotes, all during both daytime and while sleeping in a sleeping bag under a tarp at night. I've also encountered water moccasins, copperheads, rattlesnakes, and alligators during the daytime. Once on the A.T. in VA, we tiptoed through a bed of 14 eastern diamondbacks, 6 on one side of the trail and 8 on the other. Normally just keeping your cool and not doing something dumb is enough. Often, animals can tell by instinct whether you are a threat to them. In the Rockies, once in CO and once in NM, I came upon a heard of Elk, took off my pack, and walked among the herd for several miles. When I lived in the Sierra, a friend and I would often jog together on a logging road. There was one coyote that would often follow us and we would sometimes chase him if he was in front of us. In the CO Rockies, there have been several nights, both summer and winter, that my camp was surrounded by a pack of coyotes, who did nothing more than howl all night. I came to cherish that sense of wildness. Their chorus gave me a sense of peace that I was in a natural place as God had created it instead of some ugly city built by man. When I was a kid, I lived in rural south GA, had guns and hunted. I started spending serious time in the wilds in scouts during high school and then became a guide during my college summers. I continued guiding during summers and on nordic ski-packing expeditions in the winter. In all the thousands and thousands of miles I've packed and paddled, I have never encountered a situation in which I really and truly needed a gun.

I have conservative friends who think I'm too liberal and liberal friends who think I'm too conservative. Personally, I try to take a level headed, middle of the road, common sense approach to everything. Should ANWR be drilled? Probably, BUT with regulations more strict than any ever imposed. Should Yellowstone Park be drilled? Hopefully, never.

I absolutely cannot stand the suburbs. I used to live in a neighborhood where I could almost reach out my bathroom window and into the neighbor's window if I needed to borrow some shampoo. I hated it. Visiting some cities like Vancouver, Zurich, or San Francisco is something I can tolerate for a few days if I have to. I have the country in my blood. I work in the suburbs, but I had to have some wild space around me.

I think there are a lot of people who overreact to things they are not used to. I have liberal city friends who overreact to gun ownership and drives to open ANWR. I also have conservative friends whom I think are too radical in some of their beliefs. I do not intend for what I'm going to say to be offensive. Maybe people who hate the city shouldn't live there. Likewise, maybe people who are uncomfortable around the wilderness shouldn't live there. I think Eddie's situation with the pigs warrants reasonable action. They are animals who were previously domestic and have reverted to feral life. They are not really at home in any ecosystem. Coyotes, on the other hand, are not such a true threat. I moved to a rural area because I needed to be near some things wild. If hoards of people came here and started shooting everything wild, plowing up and paving over everything, and building high rises, I would not want to be here anymore. I came here to get away from all that and be near wild things. I absolutely love it when the coyotes around my house sing me to sleep at night. When I retire, I hope to move as deep into a forest as possible. With all humilty and with no malace intended, I really think that going out to shoot the coyotes is not necessary. There are two other choices: get used to them, or go back to the city. I personally like wild places and like living there. If one moves to to the country, there ought to be a reason for wanting to do that. If that person discovers that (s)he is actually frightened by the country, instead of trying to turn it into the city, (s)he can either get used to the country, or go back to the city. By shooting wild animals that are not truly dangerous, (s)he makes the country a little more like the city (s)he came there to escape.

This is not meant to be a flame and it is intended with no malice. Still, I really encourage you to think about this. Why did you move to this place to start with? Did you, like me, want to get away from too many people to a more rural and wild place? Wild things are a part of that. Rather than trying to make your surroundings more like the city you moved away from, I encourage you to make some efforts to try to embrace those things around you that are wild. You may discover that they are actually a part of what you were really looking for all along.
 
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