National ID Card Passes Legislation, Thoughts...

   / National ID Card Passes Legislation, Thoughts... #51  
I don't see what Junk said to make you mad... and don't even see where anyone has disagreed with anything so far. Just people with either "mild" dissatisfaction with the way things are heading or "worse" dissatisfaction.

Did I miss something or mistakenly think someones post was benign when actually it was an underhanded slap in the face? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / National ID Card Passes Legislation, Thoughts...
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getut,
No, Junkman didn't make me mad.
I've just see that this thread is just what the management doesn't want to waste resources on. A discussion like this gets no where. The one thing great about this country is our right to our opinions.

Originally, while listening to the talk radio discussion of this topic it turned fairly fast to a discussion about illegal citizens. It did here too. People tend to see the short side of things (say, the illegal citizen view) without seeing the big picture (erosion of more rights, big government), or the bigger picture (a trend in recent boneheaded, knee jerk type decisions by our lawmakers). I thought those would stop in the post Clinton era, I guess not.
None of us will agree to anything here, so, that's why in my last post, I said let's close this thread and move on.

MikePA, put the coup de grace on this thread so we can get back to farming, welding, woodworking, tractor shopping etc.
 
   / National ID Card Passes Legislation, Thoughts... #53  
Well even the National parks are in on the "Homeland Security"

Last week while taking a tour of Mammoth Cave, Everyone going on the tour was read their rights and instructed to get rid of fanny packs , bags, pocket knives, etc. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif( We were allowed in the Park with these items, but couldn't carry them while taking the tour). Either stow them in Your vehicle or Pay $0.75 for a locker at the Visitor Center /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Seems like everything has gone Mad and rights are being eroded very quickly ,

Another Case of Big Brother watching Our every Move.
Next We will be micro-chipped just like Our pets.
 
   / National ID Card Passes Legislation, Thoughts... #54  
If I am understanding you correctly, you seem to think that illegal citizens have nothing to do with the National ID card system, and that people inevetibly bring it up for reasons that you don't undertand.

It is really the only reason that the government can possibly try to pass this loss of privacy off on its citizens. As I said above, there are plenty of laws already in place that would quell the illegal citizen/terrorist infiltration if they would already enforce what laws are already in place... WITHOUT lthe long term effect of losing privacy or any rights.

If I have misunderstood you I am sorry, but please explain further if you don't mind participating a little longer... and if you are still ready to get away from this thread, well I can understand that also.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( you seem to think that illegal citizens have nothing to do with the National ID card system, and that people inevetibly bring it up for reasons that you don't undertand.
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getut,
Please don't make the mistake about me not understanding illegal aliens. I live in south TEXAS, 70 miles up the Rio Grande, and 13 miles north of Mexico. The McAllen Sector has the largest Border Patrol unit there is. A drive through town and you'll see a massive amount of Mexican Nationals here - shopping, vacationing, etc. In fact, our local economy depends on it. We have half a dozen bridges here in Hidalgo County and 24 hours a day these typically have at least a 30 minute wait to get across (entering or leaving the US). Most are here with work visas (you may have heard the term "green card" now also called a "laser visa"). They will not need any more ID to come and go as they please. Yet, if I make a trip to Mexico (or Canada), even for an afternoon of shopping or for an evening meal, I need a passport to re-enter the US. Perhaps you've heard of our senior citizens crossing the border for cheap prescriptions (this is a HUGE business here, one to two blocks inside Mexico, you can find complete blocks of nothing but drug stores and dentists and doctors offices. These cater to the American citizen that, for example, have no insurance.) Are we really safer to harass Granpa trying to return home after getting his prescriptions filled?
What boneheaded idiot up in DC convinced everyone to get on the band wagon to pass this legislation? Where's the common sense? <font color="red">Fingerprints</font> are unique and it costs nothing (and will not create any revenue) to scan your hand. And it cannot be lost or duplicated easily.
This whole thing reeeks of bad law. I'm sorry that so many people only see the illegal citizen aspect of this. That is a relatively small part of this thing.
Do you realize that human nature is to dislike something? We had communism for many years to dislike, and then The Wall fell. Oh-oh, no enemy. Wait, lets rack up the heat on the druggies and make their life h#11. That made us feel better to do something about our fellow man whom we can have control over, and the drug war created jobs and revenue. Then at some DEA meeting, a Mr. Whipple type raised his hand for the floor, let's get people to take mandatory drug tests. Yes, a new enemy, and this will make money! Then there were the homosexuals, well they made us tolerate them by suing everyone who made an example of. So, oops, we're out of an enemy. Then, 9-11, a made to order a new enemy. And it's creating revenue!
Is the fog clearing? See the picture? It has little about illegal aliens. It's about revenue and power.
This is the greatest country, but things that are going on now will be viewed as a low point in American history in the future.

Off my soapbox.

getut, there I indulged you for one last post.
 
   / National ID Card Passes Legislation, Thoughts... #56  
<font color="blue"> put the coup de grace on this thread so we can get back to farming, welding, woodworking, tractor shopping etc </font>

Hobbyfarm, I thoroughly enjoyed [if that's the right term when reading about the negatives in the nation you love] reading your "soapbox post", but figured I better get a side note in here before that one becomes a self-excecuting request.

Anyway, I wouldn't really know whether this thread is really "TBN material", but will say that seeing how several other people, who happen to have some common interests as I, view some current events has eased my frustrations with said events, and I have been more productive tractoring, welding ect.

I'd say the thread concerning eminant domain is so close to anyone reading here, it is definitely pertainent. This one, I could take or leave [not saying my feelings about this issues within are any weaker, only if this is not the right place for such a discussion, I understand] but personally, I sure did/do enjoy reading it while it lasts. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / National ID Card Passes Legislation, Thoughts... #57  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( We should just all agree to disagree /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif, stick to tractors /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif and such and close this thread.

Muhammed is wise not to encourage political posting.
Bye )</font>

Why is it that when one person doesn't agree with a thread or the topic, the first thing that they suggest it to close the thread? My way of dealing with these type of threads that I don't care for is to stop reading them and not to post to them. Why is it that some believe that the best way for intelligent people to get along is to silence them? If the moderators that read these threads believe that they have gone amok or or improper, they will deal with the problem in a way that they deem appropriate. If you want to be a moderator, then ask for the job, but don't tell the moderators how to do their job until you are one of them. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
   / National ID Card Passes Legislation, Thoughts... #58  
getut,
I respectfully disagree.
I've been in IT for 39 years, going back to the days when it was called Data processing /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif, and while I take the same approach as you, I believe we are in the minority.
Look around you.
How many IT people do you know who carry a flash drive?
 
   / National ID Card Passes Legislation, Thoughts... #59  
yep, flash drive, palm pilot, laptop, etc are required accessories in IT. Easy to sneak out data.....or zip / encrypt and transmit. Not a problem.
Not guilty of this, but worked in a data center for several years....
Ben
 
   / National ID Card Passes Legislation, Thoughts... #60  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( yep, flash drive, palm pilot, laptop, etc are required accessories in IT )</font>

Yeouch! Well, depending on the job type maybe. Then depending on the organization and security policies, another maybe.

I know of places that devices such as those, including cell phones, are not allowed. Period. And the enforcement of those polices are well, ahhh.... documented.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Desired maybe, required ahhh.... maybe not
 

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