Need help with PTO requirements.........

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banton

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Hello, all! First post, but a reader for a few months. Love the information, and just want to kind of see if my thinking is correct on a new tractor.

I have not driven one; ever, but I will test drive before I buy, however. My questions to you all are based on my needs.

I just purchased 5 acres, with two levels to the property. The new house will go on the top-most piece of the property (property is a rectangle, not a square). There is a 5-stall barn and 3 acre pasture on the property down below. In between the home "footprint" and the barn is a fairly good grade, but it is a pretty gentle slope. I intend to mow pasture and do the initial landscaping at the house (as well as cut the lawn weekly). We will also terrace a couple of levels of outdoor porches. Muck stalls, carry feed and hay, move rock, sand and dirt, and grade and finish the 1/4 mile driveway, dig a few additional post holes for fencing. No brush of any consequence, as the whole property is cleared. Trees, yes, but not too close together or too many. This is Washington State, so snow is not an issue.

So, I suspect that I will need an FEL as well as a blade, box scraper, tiller and a mower. I will rent a BH or trencher if the need arises. With that in mind, the next move should be to look at PTO on the tractors that I am considering, yes? Since I want the widest possible attachments available for a light-to-mid sized CUT, I'm thinking that I would need 25-27 PTO horsepower, which translates roughly to a 32-35 horsepower tractor. That should allow me to use 72" wide attachments, I think. Am I tracking so far??

Next come the candidates. Have seen Kabota (2800, 3030 and L30/40 Grand), Kioti CK and DK 35 (what is the real difference between the two?), and the new Cub Cadet/Yanmar Ex 3200. Those are the only dealers close to me, and the one with Kioti and Cub was a plesure to deal with, showed me his service and parts area when I asked to see them, and introduced me to the Service Mgr, who filled me in on what they see from both tractors for both warranty and after-warranty work. The Kabota guy was probably new, as he knew less about tractors than I do......The only other possibility is a Challenger MT 265B, but I got deflated when I found that I don't get a Cat engine with it. My understanding is that they sell at rack rate only and are basically a re-badged MF.

I suspect that I would be fine with any one of these, but would like to hear if my methodology is correct, and if I am missing something. Are my assumptions correct on the PTO horsepower requirements for larger implements? How much hp do I need and how much PTO hp for wide attachments (72" if possible)?

Help me get the right ride!!

Thanks,

Bill
 
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It looks like you have the choice down to a manageable number. I have the DK35 with over 600 hours on it, and its a great machine. The difference between the CK and DK is that the DK is a heaver duty machine. With 5 acres, you coulk get away with the CK.
 
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One question that I have, with those above is:

What size and weight will be light enough to cut the lawn with R4 tires, but not tear up the lawn at the same time. I don't want ruts....Is there a specific weight to stay under?

Will a 25-27 PTO carry the attachments that I want to get?

Thanks

Bill
 
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banton:

Welcome to TBN :D! Your logic "flow" is logical if you stay within your parameters. Obviously if you do not want to rut and/or tear up your yard while mowing you need to look a lighter tractor, but there is no "perfect" tractor out there that will meet all your current anticipated needs and possible future needs perfectly. There will be some trade offs. Make sure that your tractor and attachments will fit in your barn stalls. You might want to consider a smaller framed tractor- you could still probably use a 72" RFM, but you would be probably limited to ~60" attachments (which would be cheaper). Jay
 
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You should be able to do anything you need on your new property with a much smaller tractor. Most 20hp tractors will run a 60" finish mower and you will be suprised how much and fast you can mow cutting 5' at a time. It will be much lighter and easier on your fields and yard. If you have heavy loader/grading work, then the 25hp and above may be a good option.

Eddie
 
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Banton,

Like a few have already indicated, will be difficult to find the right machine for all your listed applications. I think your looking at the right size for the majority of your stated tasks. However, a 20HP machine let alone a 35 HP machine will leave ruts depending upon how wet it is out. That's why I have two tractors. A 14HP lawn tractor & a 35HP tractor to do the big stuff.

We also have horses & stalls. Here again may lie another pit fall with a larger tractor. Not sure about your stall door sizes but ours are way too small to allow a 6 ft bucket to enter the stall let alone the tractor. So we just wheelbarrow it out. As for the pasture, we rarely cut it as it's prime purpose is for horse grazing during the summer months.

27 to 29HP PTO should handle most if not all 6 ft implements.

Both the Kioti & Kubota would be great choices. The Grand L3430 Kubota has a slight PTO lift advantage while the Kioti DK35HSE is a whopping 600 Lbs heavier. (Nice) As you know, Dealership is very important & unfortunately the Kubota seems to be a weaker force in your area.

Happy Tractor Hunting,

Vic
 
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When you talked with the Kubota guy, was it the salesman or the entire operation that seemed new? I'm wondering if you just encountered a new guy in an established business and might be selling yourself short. Look around the store and try to get an impression of how long they've been in business before you write them off.

If your ground isn't real steep or uneven in it's slope, you could probably do fine with the smaller tractors mentioned. Physical size of the machine -- length, width, height, turning circle -- get important in and around barns and such.

As for your lawn concerns, it depends a lot on soil type and moisture level. You are probably in a wet area on the warm side of the mountains, so you might want to consider a dedicated lawn mowing machine and a small tractor for other chores. You can get a new "throw away" mower for $1K or so and expect to get several years use out of it, or find a used higher quality machine for the same price at a good Lawn /Garden shop. Then you can make your tractor choice a little more focused.
 
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Thanks to all for your words of support and encouragement.

There is also a loafing shed, with a 12' wide covered enclosure where I will keep the tractor. It's deep and high. Covered on 3 sides, will put stall wood on the 4th.

You are all correct about the pasture-I'll let the nags chew it down.

The 'bota dealership has been around since God was a lad, so no problem there. I got a newbie, is all. I'll go back.

I won't mow in the rain. The land is dry and drains very well. Bought it in the dead of winter and walked it 1 day after an 11" deluge. It just seems a waste to buy a second machine....

It seems that the Kioti has the extra weight that I would like, but that works against me on the lawn.

Thanks again, and keep the suggestions coming.....

Bill
 

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