Ok I narrowed it down to Kubota L3130 or JD3320, But what I like about the Kubota is that they have more lift capicity then the deere. Kubota does not list pivot point as that is inaccurate because that is with no bucket. They list bucket center and forward. What I like about the deere is the modern design on the loader and tractor it self. Here is the setup Loader, Backhoe, R4's, Mid PTO and soft cab for the kubota 31600.00. Same for JD minus the soft cab as I am not sure the offer it. The deere is more money with out the cab. What would you guys do. This is so confuseing /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif. Please help. Need to buy within a week.