In '99, I think the gas engine choices for a dually (F350) were the 5.4 Triton V8 or the much bigger V10, whose displacement escapes me right now, which replaced the 351 and 460. There is no bigger V8 than 5.4 L.
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rf33
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Doc,
Sorry to hear about this bad situation. I think I would not do much of anything until I could talk to my attorney/w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif. BTW I know that you know alot about towing, but might I ask why you would not want a diesel if you are going to be pulling 20,000 lb trailerloads of hay? That sounds like a sure fire case for a diesel to me.
Sorry to hear about this bad situation. I think I would not do much of anything until I could talk to my attorney/w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif. BTW I know that you know alot about towing, but might I ask why you would not want a diesel if you are going to be pulling 20,000 lb trailerloads of hay? That sounds like a sure fire case for a diesel to me.
bgott
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I've spent some time in the car business and have never lived in a state where you had three days to return the vehicle. People would tell us that and we'd tell them to sue us, none ever did. There is no "Lemon Law Buyback" on used cars that I know of, either. When you bought that used truck I'm sure they had you sign a contract that stated " AS IS". You can call your attorney for advise and he might say something different, but I believe you, as they say in the business, own a truck. Down here in Texas stopping payment on the check constitutes Theft By Check, which is a felony. Not to sound harsh, but you need to check things like this out before you buy a vehicle. If it's not in writing you don't have a leg to stand on. I'd advertise the truck and sell it myself. Go to Kelley Blue Book on the web and see what the truck is worth. You might even be able to pick up a few bucks on the deal!
Bird
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I'll bet a lot of us will be watching to see what the outcome is./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif I don't know what you can do (especially in any state other than Texas), but I know what I would do. Of course, with my previous experience, I'd have had a look at that motor before I bought it, but if I were absolutely sure the dealer had deliberately lied to me, then I'd probably be talking to a lawyer. Otherwise, I'd chalk it up to experience and move on. Hmm . . ., maybe that's the reason I'm broke; too many "experiences"./w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif I never heard of a 3 day return policy, except for a few individual dealers who advertise such.
I might try to sell or trade that truck if I were sure it wouldn't do the job, but I'm not so sure it won't do. Those trucks are made to work, and I disagree with the idea that pulling trailers heavier than the truck is rated for will tear up the engine and transmission. Maybe depends on the distance and speed you want to drive, and certainly depends on the driver. If you don't overheat anything, I don't really think you'd hurt it. Naturally, I'd turn off the overdrive when towing heavy loads so it woudn't be shifting up and down all the time, but I think I'd try pulling the trailers with it to see how it did; might surprise you. Horsepower ratings are interesting to say the least. The '91 460 engine I had was rated at 230hp, and now even the little V-6 is rated over 200. Did they improve them that much, or did they change the rating system?/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
Good luck with whichever way you go.
I might try to sell or trade that truck if I were sure it wouldn't do the job, but I'm not so sure it won't do. Those trucks are made to work, and I disagree with the idea that pulling trailers heavier than the truck is rated for will tear up the engine and transmission. Maybe depends on the distance and speed you want to drive, and certainly depends on the driver. If you don't overheat anything, I don't really think you'd hurt it. Naturally, I'd turn off the overdrive when towing heavy loads so it woudn't be shifting up and down all the time, but I think I'd try pulling the trailers with it to see how it did; might surprise you. Horsepower ratings are interesting to say the least. The '91 460 engine I had was rated at 230hp, and now even the little V-6 is rated over 200. Did they improve them that much, or did they change the rating system?/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
Good luck with whichever way you go.
Inspector507
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In Ohio, the only 3 day "buyers remorse law" is for in-home contracts. Any contract you sign in your house is subject to a 3 day cooling off period and you may cancel anytime within those 3 days.
Richard,
Everyone's got an opinion on this, so here's mine. If that dealer is a Ford dealer then the salesman was being deceptive by saying he thought it was bigger than a V6. As other people said, I haven't heard of them putting a V6 in a duelly, which I assume is the F350 you have. Being a Ford dealer or any dealer that has trucks, they should know that. I'd check with your lawyer and if there's no way by law to get the money back, I'd see if you could sell it yourself. You can even put it on Ebay with a reserve and if it doesn't sell, you're not out much. You could also see if the guy would take it back for the extra 500 you were willing to pay him above the purchase price and chalk it up to experience.
A similar thing happened to me with a used car that smoked it's alternator and battery 2 days after I bought it. Being stranded and on a weekend I had it fixed at Sears and then the dealership wouldn't honor their "30 day warranty" because I didn't get it fixed at the dealership. Both my wife and I expressed our feelings to the sales manager in front of a number of other potential customers which helped us feel a little better. Other than that you can write a letter to the BBB or attorney general or local news people if you want to kick up a fuss. These aren't very satisfying options but I can't think of anything else. Sorry about the situation.
Everyone's got an opinion on this, so here's mine. If that dealer is a Ford dealer then the salesman was being deceptive by saying he thought it was bigger than a V6. As other people said, I haven't heard of them putting a V6 in a duelly, which I assume is the F350 you have. Being a Ford dealer or any dealer that has trucks, they should know that. I'd check with your lawyer and if there's no way by law to get the money back, I'd see if you could sell it yourself. You can even put it on Ebay with a reserve and if it doesn't sell, you're not out much. You could also see if the guy would take it back for the extra 500 you were willing to pay him above the purchase price and chalk it up to experience.
A similar thing happened to me with a used car that smoked it's alternator and battery 2 days after I bought it. Being stranded and on a weekend I had it fixed at Sears and then the dealership wouldn't honor their "30 day warranty" because I didn't get it fixed at the dealership. Both my wife and I expressed our feelings to the sales manager in front of a number of other potential customers which helped us feel a little better. Other than that you can write a letter to the BBB or attorney general or local news people if you want to kick up a fuss. These aren't very satisfying options but I can't think of anything else. Sorry about the situation.
MReeter
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Doc,Call your Lawyer.In the State of Mo. we have the 3 day grace period.The past few vehicles we have bought "new", part of the paperwork is a statement that is signed by you,stating that the dealer informed you of the 3 day return policy.
I don't know if this law pertains to a used purchase or not.Call your lawyer.I would'nt stand for this "you wrote the check,it's yours" attitude that seems to be present.
Find out what your rights are and act upon them.
I don't know if this law pertains to a used purchase or not.Call your lawyer.I would'nt stand for this "you wrote the check,it's yours" attitude that seems to be present.
Find out what your rights are and act upon them.
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I don't know why someone would order that pickup with the smaller engine Mike. That surprised me too. I stopped the payment on the check and returned the truck to him. He wasn't too happy. I had only put 24 miles on it so I gave him a $100 for mileage and title fee, which is only $8. I don't know what else I could have done. I guess I'll just wait and see what happens.
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mostly just cost issue. You can buy these gas trucks VERY cheap but the diesel's are pretty expensive. I wasn't going to be going a long way with it so I figured to save money a gas would be ok for just running around here.
cp,
Sorry it should have said a 97. I changed my original post.
Grant,
No the guy wasn't a Ford dealer. He was just one of those used car guys. I thought it would be alright to buy from him because he owns the little grocery store here in town. He's always seemed like a nice guy.
cp,
Sorry it should have said a 97. I changed my original post.
Grant,
No the guy wasn't a Ford dealer. He was just one of those used car guys. I thought it would be alright to buy from him because he owns the little grocery store here in town. He's always seemed like a nice guy.
bgott is right, at least in my state if you bought the vehicle at the dealer's approved place of business, not somewhere else. I was sure we had the 3 day cooling off period, so I shot my mouth off without checking first. Turns out, there are very restrictive limitations. Here is what I found about Kansas law. It's not the official statute, but it's a reply to a letter from the Attorney General, so that's probably close enough:
Dear Attorney General Stovall:
Earlier this week I bought a used car from a local dealership. I drove the car for two days and decided it was a little smaller than I initially thought. I returned it to the dealer, but he refused to take it back. I thought there was a cooling off period, or a three-day right to cancel law, that applied to these types of purchases. However, the dealership manager said these laws do not apply to automobile purchases. Attorney General Stovall, is this true?
Dear Kansas Consumer:
It is true that there is no three-day right to cancel law, also known as the "cooling off period," for car purchases from a dealer's approved place of business. The three-day right to cancel only applies to sales made at a person's home or at a place away from the seller's normal place of business. If a sale of an automobile is made at the dealership, the three-day right to cancel does not apply.
You may want to contact the dealership to see if it has a policy which would allow you to exchange the car for another one. If so, this provision would fall within the dealership's own customer service policy. There is no law requiring a car dealership to make an exchange, give back a portion of the purchase price, or refund the purchase price for the sole reason that the customer changed his or her mind about the car.
Because automobiles are such expensive purchases, it is extremely important for consumers to do their homework before making the final decision to buy. Have the vehicle inspected by a mechanic, obtain a title history, and carefully examine it for yourself.
Buyer beware.
Dear Attorney General Stovall:
Earlier this week I bought a used car from a local dealership. I drove the car for two days and decided it was a little smaller than I initially thought. I returned it to the dealer, but he refused to take it back. I thought there was a cooling off period, or a three-day right to cancel law, that applied to these types of purchases. However, the dealership manager said these laws do not apply to automobile purchases. Attorney General Stovall, is this true?
Dear Kansas Consumer:
It is true that there is no three-day right to cancel law, also known as the "cooling off period," for car purchases from a dealer's approved place of business. The three-day right to cancel only applies to sales made at a person's home or at a place away from the seller's normal place of business. If a sale of an automobile is made at the dealership, the three-day right to cancel does not apply.
You may want to contact the dealership to see if it has a policy which would allow you to exchange the car for another one. If so, this provision would fall within the dealership's own customer service policy. There is no law requiring a car dealership to make an exchange, give back a portion of the purchase price, or refund the purchase price for the sole reason that the customer changed his or her mind about the car.
Because automobiles are such expensive purchases, it is extremely important for consumers to do their homework before making the final decision to buy. Have the vehicle inspected by a mechanic, obtain a title history, and carefully examine it for yourself.
Buyer beware.
