NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES

   / NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES #11  
I have had cases involving the issue of "adverse possession." At least in Massachusetts, to defeat the title held by the record owner (owner as described in the deed and any recorded plot plans or surveys) the person claiming ownership by adverse possession must have asserted such possession continuously, for an uninterrupted period of 20 years and the possession has to have been "open, notorious and adverse."

That means that he has to have been using the land, not by your permission, but pursuant to his claim that it was his as a matter of right, and not anyone else's, and have been doing so openly. An adjoining landowner building a fence on your land, and using the land on his side of the fence as his, for a 20 year period, can constitute "open, notorious and adverse" possession and can result in the record titleholder losing that land by adverse possession.

That is why, if you discover that a neighbor has put up a fence on your land and is using the land, it is important to act to correct the situation. This does NOT mean that you have to tear down the fence or sue the neighbor for trespass. If you don't presently mind him using the land, but don't want to lose your ownership of it, what you need to do is to bring the matter to his attention, demonstrate that the land is actually yours, and tell him that he may continue to use it, for the present, with your permission, so long as he acknowledges (in writing, of course, to prevent future disputes) that (1) the land is yours and (2) the fence and his use of the land are continuing, not as a matter of his right, but as a matter of your permission. It is also prudent, at least once every 20 years, to open a portion of the fence and make entry on the land and to document (by dated photograph and affidavit of a witness, for example) that this has been done. This prevents the neighbor's possession from being "continuous" for 20 years.

The time period necessary to acquire ownership by adverse possession, as well as what is necessary to perfect (or to defeat) it, may vary from state to state, but that is the way it is in Massachusetts.

Hope this helps.
 
   / NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES #12  
Kindof interesting: In Kalifornia, in addition to the generic Adverse Possession requirements, the claimant actually has to pay property taxes on the claimed area.
 
   / NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES #13  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Kindof interesting: In Kalifornia, in addition to the generic Adverse Possession requirements, the claimant actually has to pay property taxes on the claimed area. )</font>

that's true in WA state too ... but "prescriptive easements" and "easements by use" can all of a sudden restrict *your* use (aka no fence or gate), yet you retain the *right* of paying taxes on that land ...
 
   / NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES #14  
These stories make for good reading for sure. It also makes you cringe at what happens in the world.

The problem is people don't think alike. So the 2 sides to every story come out. What 1 thinks is right isn't how the other side see's it.

So the lawyers have a feast with us poor people fighting over these meager little feet we claim as our own. And to think the ancestors here just pulled out a 50 caliber to settle things. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES #15  
Very good point! Many of the [very] rural areas around here, many hundreds or thousands of acres farms/ranches, have "county" roads every mile or so (grid) ... all of which fell under county jurisdiction by prescription. Now days, of course, the counties are trying to shed road maintenance responsibilities like the bird flu /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
The whole topic of adverse possession really comes down to landowners being prudent in "maintaining" their land ... as I understand it.
Cheers!
 
   / NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES #16  
Well, some of the stories promote cringing but, most are, it seems to me, a matter of education. I cringe at the thought of people going into the transaction of owning real property without any real knowledge of the subject. It's so easy and so common-place to buy a house or property that no one seems to give it much thought ... kindof like buying a car, maybe. But, real estate is, usually, the biggest asset anyone acquires ... but few seem to know much about the basic rules, regulations, responsibilities related to it. That's not to say that it's not a LOT more complicated now than it was 20 years ago but, obtaining basic knowlwdge is essential.
The point: more people could think alike if we all had the same foundation to base our thoughts on. Same thing with financial issues ... you have to go find the info yourself ... it's not taught in schools nor the topic of everyday conversation. It is though, a real problem.
Cheers!
 
   / NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES #17  
"After having the land rezoned from Ag to Rural Residential so that the pole barn could be built"

Farmers can't build pole barns on Ag property?
 
   / NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES #18  
"And to think the ancestors here just pulled out a 50 caliber to settle things."

Very Darwinian --"the survival of the Fastest." /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously, I'm afraid it is part of the human condition; the capacity of folks to see someone else's point of view objectively decreases in direct proportion to their own personal interest in the matter.
 
   / NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES
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As the area that I am in has grown, the zoning laws have changed. You need to have 40 acres to be considered Ag. With a lot size of thirty acres zoned Ag, there was nothing that could be built. If the house had been damaged by a storm or burned down, it could not be rebuilt with the zoning in place.

Had to play their game, rezone, then build the pole barn, then sell off the house. You could not even build a building over 1000 square feet without a house on the property. Had I sold the house first would not have been able to build a 3000 sq ft pole barn. The current and proper zoning on this piece of property is Rural Residential.
 
   / NEIGHBORS AND LOT LINES #20  
That's some crazy zoning there. Sounds like an effort to force you or some future property owner to acquiese to their master plan. There is just no logical reason why a 30 acre farm should not be albe to have a pole building without a house.

Maybe it was mentioned earlier, but if not, adverse possesion and prescriptive easements are legal principles that need to be proven in court. There is nothing automatic them and the time periods are often just guidelines. A publicly recorded survey is also an excellent way to stake your claim in defense.
 

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