Neighbors behaving badly

   / Neighbors behaving badly #11  
If there is a marsh or wetlands involved, I'd let the county FSA office decide what to do.

The county engineer might be interested too. Excess water might affect how fast the road dries up after the spring thaw.

It would be easy to just let it be, but I figure if I have to follow the rules then everyone else does too.
 
   / Neighbors behaving badly #12  
You can locate Federal wetlands through this -

Wetlands Mapper

locate and zoom in to your land.
 
   / Neighbors behaving badly
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#13  
Moss - I am in st Joe county. The county surveyor is in charge of drainage ditches.

Why the berm was built - I have no idea. I suspect that is where they dumped the dirt dug out to make ditch.

We are no longer marsh land because of the ditches. They were built to make the place useable farm land we値l before any federal regulations. It has been farm land since the late 1800痴 at least.
 
   / Neighbors behaving badly #14  
I'm curious if the guy is new-ish to the area and if he might be unpleasantly surprised the next time the creek rises.
 
   / Neighbors behaving badly
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#15  
You can locate Federal wetlands through this -

Wetlands Mapper

locate and zoom in to your land.

Yes I had found that one. There are wet lands in the area he is working on. However the entire area is NOT wetlands. So not sure if he hit them or not. It appears to be a situation where they decided their drainage should run "right over there", no actual survey work done.

I'm curious if the guy is new-ish to the area and if he might be unpleasantly surprised the next time the creek rises.

I have owned my property for 3 years. In that time we have had a 1000 yr rain event and a 500 yr flood. So I am pretty versed on where the water goes. The excavator told me the neighbors had their back yard flood "After that rain we got" (meaning the 500 yr flood) and they don't want that to happen again. Of course putting all that extra water in the ditch may cause people down stream some problems.

My side of the ditch, due to the berm the neighbor had to dig through, is the low side. So if the ditch breaches its banks it will be on to my property.

This neighbor has owned their property for more than a decade as near as I can tell from the little bit of property records that are on line in my county.
 
   / Neighbors behaving badly #16  
Call the authorities, anonymously. Make sure you mention "trout stream." Then let them handle it. If your neighbor mentions anything about a visit from the authorities, act surprised.

Avoid a neighbor war at all costs.
 
   / Neighbors behaving badly #17  
Call the authorities, anonymously. Make sure you mention "trout stream." Then let them handle it. If your neighbor mentions anything about a visit from the authorities, act surprised.

Avoid a neighbor war at all costs.

ha, "Trout Stream"
Excellent!
 
   / Neighbors behaving badly #18  
500 year floods and 1,000 year rain events aren't. The answer is: no one knows.
 
   / Neighbors behaving badly #19  
Nip it in the bud now. Call your county for permit questions call you local DEQ if needed too.

My neighbor did a similar act which resulted in flooding of my property. Did not look that way at first and he claims to this day that it was legal and legit.
 
   / Neighbors behaving badly #20  
Moss - I am in st Joe county. The county surveyor is in charge of drainage ditches.

Why the berm was built - I have no idea. I suspect that is where they dumped the dirt dug out to make ditch.

We are no longer marsh land because of the ditches. They were built to make the place useable farm land we値l before any federal regulations. It has been farm land since the late 1800痴 at least.

HA! My memory slips, neighbor. :laughing:

The Surveyor is not in charge of the drainage ditches. The Drainage Board is. The Surveyor sits on the board as a technical advisor, but has no vote.

Drainage Board | St. Joseph County, IN

I had a few minor run around with the drainage board. When we first bought the property, I went out there one day and saw this huge mess. Did some searching and found out who controls the dredging of the ditch. Asked why I wasn't notified that they were going to be on my property. They said they notified the previous owner(she was dead, so OK), and their records didn't indicate that the property was sold. So I asked them to update their records and to notify me if they were going to be on the property, as I allow hunting there, we shoot targets often, etc... they said OK......... then it happened again 4-5 years later. I made the calls again. OK. It happened several more times. I've yet to ever been notified that they're going to be on our property in 28 years.

How often have they dredged the ditch since you've been there?

They did ours three years ago, then again just after the floods this spring. It passes through our property, then under a state road through a 6' culvert. There's a 4-5' culvert next to it for overflow. I'm guessing after the floods, they wanted to make sure it stayed clear so it wouldn't wash out the road if the culverts got plugged with trees/debris.

It makes a mess when they come through, that's for sure.

I don't think you're upstream from any designated trout streams. Juday Creek is the only one in the county, besides the St. Joe river. Ours drains into the Kankakee. Depending on which hump of the continental divide you're on, you'll either drain into the St. Joe and the Great Lakes, or you'll drain into the Yellow River and the Gulf of Mexico. The Yellow and the Kankakee meet up west of Knox.

Anyhow, the Yellow (if that's the one you're drain goes to) has been plagued by flooding since I was a kid. If that's a ditch that drains into that watershed, your neighbor could be in for a world of legal hurt if he didn't get approval from the Drainage Board before he did any work.
 

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