NEVER LET A SCHOOL SHOP FIX ANYTHING

[Soundguy]

my dad had one... that slant 6 sounded different. but it ran.

my least favorite car had a column shifter..

soundguy

 

[zzvyb6]

So (back to the O.P.), buy a new engine and have them put it in....

 

[deereman75]

So (back to the O.P.), buy a new engine and have them put it in....

This didnt happen to me, I saw the truck on the canadian equivelant of craigslist, the guy didnt have the money for a new engine, so he is selling the truck.
(if it was me, I would have done the work my self)

 

[Car Doc]

Some independent Toyota specialist shop like me will snatch it up and fix it if its in any shape at all then sell it at a profit.

I could sell a yard full of the 2nd and 3rd gen 4wd Toyota pickups if I had them I buy every one I run across. :thumbsup:

 

[wrenchturner]

Have no doubt in your mind I always look for the most for the least and I am sure most people here do the same.
What I said has to do with accountability.
Where you came up with the B.S. is anybodys guess.

If the job can't be done correctly then turn it down.
But you being a teacher you probably don't think teachers should have any
accountability for the quality of job they do.
Maybe you are just one of the sitters.

Just Bill, you are a perfect example of the root cause of the problem with public education today (the public) as I stated earlier. You have your head in the sand thus you really do not have any understanding of today's youth culture. I do not know how old you are but you certainly give the impression your understanding of the education system today is like it was in the 60's or 70's. As far as accountability goes, teachers are always under the microscope from parents, administrators, the news media, politicians and of course from people like you that do not have any experience in a modern classroom. Did you read the post from the OP (currently a high school student) on how many students do drugs regularly? What would your workplace be like if 3/4 of the employees showed up high? What would happen if you refused to follow your supervisor's directions? What would happen if you showed up high on dope? What would happen if you played around in the shop?

Yes, teachers do have great accountability. The problem is parents (the public) have no accountability, students have no accountability yet people like you are quick to criticize people like me that persevere in spite of daunting circumstances we have no control over.

 

[Soundguy]

ditto that 1000%

my wife is a teacher.

there are soooo many hoops for them to jump thru as far as accountability goes. they must ahve a certain pass/fail rate.. if students do bad on standardized tests it falls on the teacher.. there are post class survey's the students fill out about the teacher, and survey's sent home to the parents.

in short.. your pay ( and raises ) and JOB are tied to all that.

it's a bad deal. amny teachers are now having to pretty much 'teach' test taking and teach what's on the standardized tests vs a good full lesson plan.. just so they can keep the nose miners passing. because if they fail.. you loose your job.

parents are a huge part of the problem. they send their kids to school without having fed them or dressed them properly ( no jacket in winter.. etc. ) and with no supplies.

my wife , out of our pocket, generally provide hundreds of writing utensils and paper to ill equipped students, not to mention keeping a well stocked drawer of some sort of suitable snack like chesse or pb crackers.. or cerial bars, for the kids who come to school hungry because 'mom woke up late and didn't feed me.. and now I can't concentrate or have a low blood sugar headache'.. or. even worse...' mom let me eat candy for breakfast and now I'm spinning around like a top.'

some of these kids get no parental involvement at home. they go home and watch tv and play video games and go to bed. many of the younger ones can't spell their name!!!!

when i was a kid we had to know how to read / write and spell our name, and do basic counting and basic math when we hit 4/5yr kindegarten!!!

our partents sat and worked with us to see if we did our homework.. etc.. etc..

i'm kinda tired of my wifes job being tied to some crumb bum parent who stays out all night partying, don't feed their kid, sends them to school with no jacket, and hasn't taught them how to spell their name... then my wife has to teach that empty, cold, hungry 'vessle' how to pass a standardized test.. or she doesn't get a paycheck.. and if the kid does do bad.. the parent gets to complain about it !!!!

i swear.. you ought to have to get a permit and take a class before you are allowed to produce an offspring...

off soapbox.

soundguy

As far as accountability goes, teachers are always under the microscope from parents, administrators, the news media, politicians and of course from people like you that do not have any experience in a modern classroom. Did you read the post from the OP (currently a high school student) on how many students do drugs regularly? What would your workplace be like if 3/4 of the employees showed up high? What would happen if you refused to follow your supervisor's directions? What would happen if you showed up high on dope? What would happen if you played around in the shop?

Yes, teachers do have great accountability. The problem is parents (the public) have no accountability, students have no accountability yet people like you are quick to criticize people like me that persevere in spite of daunting circumstances we have no control over.

 

[mitch becton]

in the late 60's and early 70's our local tech school had one of the best body shop programs in the state. they were lead by some freinds of mine and always finished the jobs as intended and got a nominal fee for what they did you paid cost for all material they used and had another friend who ran the diesel engine mechanics training and was very successful here also and they had the absolute best equipment and tools to work with and as of now many body shop and diesel mechanics still work in the area and some are small independent business people this was and still is the Valdosta Technical School Valdosta ga.

mitch becton

 

[deereman75]

in the late 60's and early 70's our local tech school had one of the best body shop programs in the state. they were lead by some freinds of mine and always finished the jobs as intended and got a nominal fee for what they did you paid cost for all material they used and had another friend who ran the diesel engine mechanics training and was very successful here also and they had the absolute best equipment and tools to work with and as of now many body shop and diesel mechanics still work in the area and some are small independent business people this was and still is the Valdosta Technical School Valdosta ga.

mitch becton

This is about a high school shop, a trade school shop would be quite good to take something to.

 

[jbooth]

Why would anyone expect 16 to 18 year old kid to turn out professional work. A bit like going to a barber college and whining about your do. The instructor probably didn't have time to supervise every move a student makes. If the man on Craigslist cannot afford to repair or replace his engine, there is a possibility that he could not afford the parts for the school class to make the proper repair I had good luck with my son's class around 20 yrs ago. Granted, my expectations were not high and did not send anything that I could not do without. My main concern was to get some items to the class so they could acquire "hands-on" experience. The students and the instrutor thanked me many times for furnishing items to work with. Some of their training would probably fall in the "not repairable or not worth repair" experiences. My son considered auto mechanics as a trade, but went elsewhere when his expectation of chrome plated engines turned out to be worn out neglected greaseballs.

20 years ago the shop classes could not afford to purchase parts and in today's school economy it would be far worse. Not an issue anymore as the class has been dropped for budgetary reasons.

 

[Just Bill]

Just Bill, you are a perfect example of the root cause of the problem with public education today (the public) as I stated earlier. You have your head in the sand thus you really do not have any understanding of today's youth culture.
I do not know how old you are but you certainly give the impression your understanding of the education system today is like it was in the 60's or 70's.
As far as accountability goes, teachers are always under the microscope from parents, administrators, the news media, politicians and of course from people like you that do not have any experience in a modern classroom. Did you read the post from the OP (currently a high school student) on how many students do drugs regularly? What would your workplace be like if 3/4 of the employees showed up high? What would happen if you refused to follow your supervisor's directions? What would happen if you showed up high on dope? What would happen if you played around in the shop?

Yes, teachers do have great accountability. The problem is parents (the public) have no accountability, students have no accountability yet people like you are quick to criticize people like me that persevere in spite of daunting circumstances we have no control over.

Quite possibly the kids you are teaching are a product of your generation, you couldn't raise them and now you can't teach them
and now its the publics fault?
You are absolutely correct I am out of touch with reality , I need to lower my standards and accept things as they are.
Do you like the way things are? If you don't why do you think I should.
Maybe the accepted standards are why Japan and China are kicking our butts.
I don't subscribe to the "poor me" B.S.. With some exceptions, most people can be what they want to be, either good or bad if they want it bad enough.
I do think that we as a nation have gotten too far away from the basics of education.
Back to my origional statement: If the Instructor, Manager, Owner or who ever, accepts a job knowing that they are not able to do it correctly.
Who the **** do you think is responsible for the reputation of the shop?
I am pretty sure its not me or the public as a whole.
You, just like me are working where you are for whatever reason and if you don't like your job, move on and I have the same option.
I doubt seriously anybody is going to beg you to stay and someone else will just take your place and probably for less money.
Don't try to bash me because I think that a reputation is the responsibility of the person that created it ( good or bad) and a teachers job to teach.
If you think you have accountability get a job in Industry and it is day to day wheather you will have a job, or have to take a pay cut to
keep it.