New 2 spool valve has hairline crack in casting

[ampa]

Someone else is havin' the same problem as me....tryin' to figure out how to connect a grapple....I just printed out the pic of his valve.on my B/W Laser Printer... I can say that mine wasn't connected the same way.... but somewhat reversed....

so I guess I still need someone to draw a picture or a sketch to how my system must be connected..if I connect mine the same as this OP my system I should be okay as the valve looks to be a 2 spool type like the one I'm using...I'll post the photo....

if the OP won't mind ... now where the return X low pressure hose is connected this is what I had plugged.... the right side with the plug (marked is this the PB port....

is where I was told to connect my PB fitting and was connected by 2 wire hose into the other cut steel line (return) into the rear axle of the tractor.....the pressure line from the pump was not connected to the left side....

but to the top inport where the pic posted shows it bein' plugged...so maybe this caused my valve to blow out the casting....they exchanged it for a new one...but I'm not connecting this new 2 spool valve it till I get the exact proper info.. .Thank You....Ampa <>

 

[J_J]

Someone else is havin' the same problem as me....tryin' to connect a grapple....I just printed out the pic of his valve....mine wasn't connected the same way....so I guess I still need someone to draw a picture or a sketch to how my system must be connected..if I connect mine the same as this OP my system should be okay as the valve looks to be a 2 spool type..Thank You....Ampa <>

Here is a link.

 

[Gary Sweat]

Someone else is havin' the same problem as me....tryin' to figure out how to connect a grapple....I just printed out the pic of his valve.on my B/W Laser Printer... I can say that mine wasn't connected the same way.... but somewhat reversed....

so I guess I still need someone to draw a picture or a sketch to how my system must be connected..if I connect mine the same as this OP my system I should be okay as the valve looks to be a 2 spool type like the one I'm using...I'll post the photo....

if the OP won't mind ... now where the return X low pressure hose is connected this is what I had plugged.... the right side with the plug (marked is this the PB port....

is where I was told to connect my PB fitting and was connected by 2 wire hose into the other cut steel line (return) into the rear axle of the tractor.....the pressure line from the pump was not connected to the left side....

but to the top inport where the pic posted shows it bein' plugged...so maybe this caused my valve to blow out the casting....they exchanged it for a new one...but I'm not connecting this new 2 spool valve it till I get the exact proper info.. .Thank You....Ampa <>

I borrowed (stole) this image from DonnieP (hope you don't mind) post. It shows all the ports that you need to use and where they go. Just as JJ reminded me several times not to block the return (tank port) it must be routed back to the transmission. On my tractor I had to use the transmission oil fill hole for the return line. You may have another way to get the return line back to the transmission but if you don't then the fill cap may be the only way. As JJ says, "DON"T BLOCK THE RETURN PORT" cause it causes things to break.

 

[ampa]

J_J that 2 spool valve is somewhat different than the new one I picked up today....here's 3 pics of this new replacement valve.....

 

[J_J]

Does this valve have PB or BY by that side port. If it does, are you going to use it in the PB mode?

 

[ampa]

Here's an old pic of my tractors original "P" line before I cut it .the tank refill is under the seat frame you can see the plastic cap sticking up...the large steel suction tube remains the same (uncut).....

that one and only small line comes from the front engine mounted pump and into the side via a banjo type fitting....this maybe where I'm getting confused :confused2: since it is now cut and I have one end that I assume is the inport....


okay now what about the other cut end....is this not considered the return because it goes back into the rear axle and feeds the 3 pt hitch rear lift...this may be where the confusion is bein' created in my mind...this whole issue is mind boggling to me....I'm gonna' really study J_J's diagram closely....I know for a fact J_J has everthing down to a "T"....

it's just hardheaded guys like me who need to go back to school....to understand plain english.....gosh....I'm so sorry for all the problems I'm causin' on here....one thing I need to know....is this OP setup is working okay? isn't it?...why couldn't I just connect mine the same way ?:confused2:

I have an appointment for which I must drive out to an out of town hospital to get my once every 5 year colonscopy checkup @ 9:45 tomorrow morning....so right now I'm way too busy goin' back and fourth to and from the bathroom ....so I probley won't be doin' no more work on this tractor till real late tomorrow if I feel up to it....

anyhow I've got plenty of time to get this issue straightened up in my mind....I'm not needing more oil spatter than I already have....it's darn good thing I didn't change out the old fluid I had a feelin' something bad would happen and it did....Thanks guys I need all the help I can get....I wish I could get one of you guys to come connect it proper for me....take care Ampa <>

 

[cycle_gator]

Ampa:

I have watched this struggle of yours just to get a working snowplow on your machine for quite a while. I have stayed out of it becasue I thought and still do, that you are getting good sound advice without my two-bits worth.

I gotta be honest though, you remind me of my grandfather, wisest man I ever knew, but his kind of thing was definitely not his forte. By the way, he was a farmer and a feed truck driver his whole life, never finished grade school, dropped out to help his father run the farm. His old 8n is still in the family. Anyway, enough of that.

Here is some advice, let's see if we can take this step by step and try to resolve the problem so that when the snow flies you can plow, which, if I read you right, is what you really want to be able to do, as opposed to fabricating hydraulic cylinder brackets and worrying about how to hook up the valves.

My objective here is to advise you specifically where to connect each of the three lines that go to/from your valve, as that is where it appears the problems lie. In other words, I am volunteering to help you interpret the diagram JJ sent along.

Step 1.

Does your new valve have power beyond capabilty and if so does it need anything added to make that happen? If you do not know, surely the good folk at Princess Auto can help you out with this question. It is really important we know this before proceeding.:thumbsup:

Step 2.

You may have already done this, but can you please post a picture of how you have cut and inserted new fittings into that pressure line that runs from the pump on the front of the tractor to the old 3 pt valve with the banjo fitting?

Step 3.

A few posts ago, I think you posted a picture of a gizmo you fabricated to allow a return line to go into where the hydraulic fluid filler goes. Is that right, or did I imagine that? If so, can you please post that picture, or a closer up shot again?

Step 4.

I take it by your posts you are comfortable with how to hook the workports on the valve to your two front cylinders, yes?

So, let's see if we can get a common basis of understanding going here and then get this hooked up for you. By the way, I hope all went well today.

 

[ampa]

Hi Cycle_Gator....I like that user name...I love Cajon music I think thats how Cajon is spelled...your correct about old school...I really appreciate you takin' up your time to help me understand this jigsaw puzzle I got myself into....a few questions were in fact true but the rest ???

don't pay too much attention to what you read my memory is so bad I have a problem rememberin' my own name...my test resaults were not too good...my cancer has spread to my colon...they want me in the hospital to remove a section of it....it was caught fairly early so....I'll trust my speicalist to get me the finest surgeon....

I don't like to hear that "C" word anyhow....I'm gonna' get off this subject it just makes me feel real bad...."okay" back to my tractor....what I done was my fault...yes I see what I done..J_J is correct..I should never have installed that PB adapter in the first place....and plugged the 1/4"....Princess Auto is good with me.....

even though I caused the valve casting to crack/split...they exchanged it with a slightly different in design plus $20.00 more than the $169.00 plus tax I payed for the broken one....the new one I will connect to the side "P" input which is 1/4" then connect my A B ports plugging the top "P" inport for the other spool A+B the "T" (top) output....

remove and return the PB adapter use the same plug I had in the side "P" inport then the low pressure one to the cut end (banjo connection) into the rear axle original 3 pt. hitch hydraulics....I don't care if the onboard 3 pt. hydraulics work or don't as like I mentioned....I won't be ever using them again....If I'm still doin' this wrong....which I don't think this time around....but if so...using a loop or "T" setup may be the next only option....there's no way of usin' the filler cap area as I can see....unless

I could tap into where the dip stick is locacated if it has threads to install a proper fit fittin'...I will leave you with this info...and will wait for your input on this....I really do appreciate all the help I can get...I'm really not too happy with myself....as always take care Ampa <>

 

[cycle_gator]

Ampa:

Sorry to here about your test results, don't know if you are religious or not, but I will pray for you.

The Tractor -- what you wrote up should work fine, no PB sleeve installed. Now there a couple people who will worry that if you use the 3 Pt for anything too heavy it might back pressure the outport and make it rupture again, but I think the chances of that happening are pretty slim. There are alot of front loaders on tractors out there using exactly that same hookup.

If you like take some pictures after you get 'er all plumbed together and we'll have a look see over this marvellous electronic world, just to verify.

The important part and the one I cannot see, is to make sure the PB adapter is removed. Otherwise we risk the same issue as last time, and we certainly do not want, or need, a repeat. Those nice folks at Princess might get a bit suspicious.

By the way "gator" was my nickname when I was a wee lad. I did not like it much then, but have grown fond of it over the years. The cycle part is becasue I ride lots of things that only has two wheels, pedal and power.

Take care.

 

[ampa]

Thank you for praying for me..I've been readin' up on it...there are different stages.... 3 years ago it was not detected...so hopefully I'm early stage 0-1 stage.... 4-5.... not too good..... I won't know what stage mine is till I get the final results from my biopsy.

I've also been givin' a few nicknames...Ampa my user name was handpicked by me because of my musical background(band).....started out as "Ampatube" most of my new found friends from different forums I've visited just called me "Ampa"....I'm so glad to hear the good news on the extended life of my snowblade installation issue....like I killed one 2 spool valve already.....don't want or need to do the same with this new 2 spool valve ....

I think I paid around $23.00 for that PB adapter from Princess Auto....they will refund all my money on this as well..... don't matter if I have a reciept they always ask for my phone number and it stays on their computers...very good place to deal with...only need to tell them it wasn't suitable and it's a done deal ..... I'm not feelin' up to workin' on it to night..I'm pooped out from the medical proceedure....I gonna' get some rest...reply to me anytime... I always got time to read whatever info you send me.....as always...so much appreciated take care Ampa <> :thumbsup: