OK, I've calmed down, sorry for the rant, I know these machines can do alot and have their place but I could not justify the price on these. I would have to agree with some of the others in that a just as well built SCUT, or CUT can be purchased for same money or a BCS 850 series can be had for less than 3500, I expected 5000/5500 for the small one but not 7400, and I wasn't even in the ballpark with the other 2 models. Guess I'll be able to justify putting a lot of money into the com 12 since the 13hp model goes for over 14k. Or get the BCS and go crazy with new attachments. Well I thought I was over my rant guess not.