New 2501 Questions

[gwstang]

My L2501 is a shuttle shift. I used this kit for change

Kubota: Kubota Filter Kit, Part # 77700-03324 | Messick's

 

[Turbofire Orange]

Thanks,

I just e-mailed Messicks

 

[cmcramer]

My year old non-HST L2501 is now due for its first oil change. If I understand the terminology (...and the Owner's Manual...) properly, this L2501 has a non-Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) engine, and therefore has no Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF). For engine oil, the Owner's Manual says that API CJ-4 is intended for DPF type engines, and cannot be used on this tractor. OK so far.

It says the following API classifications are acceptable: CF , CF4, CG4, all of which are termed "obsolete" by American Petroleum Institute ! So I assume they are no longer sold. http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Ce...iesel/Publications/MOM_GUIDE_ENGLISH_2013.pdf

Also acceptable are API CH4 or CI4. Darn if I can't find either. First 6 or 7 brands all say API CJ4 on the label. And since CJ4 is the latest and greatest API classification....is CH4 or CI4 even manufactured anymore? I have not asked my dealer yet, that's my next step. thought I'd ask here first.

Anyone know of an oil brand that meets CH4 or CI4 API? And some oil brands say "API CI4 AND CJ4" Hmmm. Wonder if this meets Kubota's spec of DO NOT USE CJ4...

thanks!

 

[nybirdman]

My year old non-HST L2501 is now due for its first oil change. If I understand the terminology (...and the Owner's Manual...) properly, this L2501 has a non-Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) engine, and therefore has no Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF). For engine oil, the Owner's Manual says that API CJ-4 is intended for DPF type engines, and cannot be used on this tractor. OK so far.

It says the following API classifications are acceptable: CF , CF4, CG4, all of which are termed "obsolete" by American Petroleum Institute ! So I assume they are no longer sold. http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Ce...iesel/Publications/MOM_GUIDE_ENGLISH_2013.pdf

Also acceptable are API CH4 or CI4. Darn if I can't find either. First 6 or 7 brands all say API CJ4 on the label. And since CJ4 is the latest and greatest API classification....is CH4 or CI4 even manufactured anymore? I have not asked my dealer yet, that's my next step. thought I'd ask here first.

Anyone know of an oil brand that meets CH4 or CI4 API? And some oil brands say "API CI4 AND CJ4" Hmmm. Wonder if this meets Kubota's spec of DO NOT USE CJ4...

thanks!

For your first and once a year oil change why not just purchase the proper oil/filter from the dealer.That way you will have no warranty issues.

 

[Paystar]

The oil classifications are the one area the owners manual is outdated and not correct. All the newer classes of engine oils are backwards compatible. Thye all had to comply with that.
And what made it even funnier is the last time I bought Kubota brand 10W30 (before I switched to Rotella synthetic) is the new labeling they put on the jug says it is CJ-4 approved, LOL.

 

[cmcramer]

For your first and once a year oil change why not just purchase the proper oil/filter from the dealer.That way you will have no warranty issues.

Good point. I will probably do just that, nybird. I am just trying to educate myself. I'm not 1000% confident of the guy behind the parts counter at my nearest dealer. And Paystar, what you say about backwards compatibility of newer API oils certainly makes sense to me. What does NOT make sense is an owner's manual that is in error. I am still hesitant to put oil in my new tractor that the manual specifically says not to.

Guess I'll ask my Dealer for the approved motor oil, read the its API label, THEN show him the owners manual language. Let's see what he says!

 

[nybirdman]

Oswego eh!Lots of memories of that area.Worked at the nukes between 1976-1985 off and on.Lived out-side of Fulton and bought a house in Phoenix.Don't miss those "lake effect" snow falls for sure.Good luck with your new tractor;treat her well and it will last forever.

 

[Paystar]

Good point. I will probably do just that, nybird. I am just trying to educate myself. I'm not 1000% confident of the guy behind the parts counter at my nearest dealer. And Paystar, what you say about backwards compatibility of newer API oils certainly makes sense to me. What does NOT make sense is an owner's manual that is in error. I am still hesitant to put oil in my new tractor that the manual specifically says not to.

Guess I'll ask my Dealer for the approved motor oil, read the its API label, THEN show him the owners manual language. Let's see what he says!

That's what makes it funnier though.....when you purchase Kubota brand oil it's the oil the manual tells you NOT to use, LOL.

 

[gwstang]

Mine will be a year old next month. I've got a grand total of 70 + hours on it. I used the shell rotella diesel synthetic oil in mine at 50 hours. Still purring right along.

 

[motownbrowne]

That's what makes it funnier though.....when you purchase Kubota brand oil it's the oil the manual tells you NOT to use, LOL.

Exactly!!

I encountered this exact situation. I called the dealer and asked about it. The service guy said "just buy the Kubota oil so you know you're putting the right stuff in there" I asked him to go read me the label sure enough it's CJ-4 rated, just like they tell you not to use in the manual. It carries the same ratings as Delo 400le, Rotella, etc. I think the issue is moot as long as the oil also carries the previous rating, which they all do. As someone else said, they're pretty much all backwards compatible.