New "Daylight Savings Time"

froggy · Aug 10, 2005

Re: New \"Daylight Savings Time\"

Here is the reasoning behind DST (history) :

Congressional Findings; Expansion of Daylight Saving Time Section 2(a) of Pub. L. 99-359 provided that: "The Congress finds -

1. "that various studies of governmental and nongovernmental agencies indicate that daylight saving time over an expanded period would produce a significant energy savings in electrical power consumption;

2. "that daylight saving time may yield energy savings in other areas besides electrical power consumption;

3. "that daylight saving time over an expanded period could serve as an incentive for further energy conservation by individuals, companies, and the various governmental entities at all levels of government, and that such energy conservation efforts could lead to greatly expanded energy savings;

4. "that the use of daylight saving time over an expanded period could have other beneficial effects on the public interest, including the reduction of crime, improved traffic safety, more daylight outdoor playtime for the children and youth of our Nation, greater utilization of parks and recreation areas, expanded economic opportunity through extension of daylight hours to peak shopping hours and through extension of domestic office hours to periods of greater overlap with the European Economic Community ."

slowrev · Aug 10, 2005

Re: New \"Daylight Savings Time\"

expanded economic opportunity through extension of daylight hours to peak shopping hours and through extension of domestic office hours to periods of greater overlap with the European Economic Community ."
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The real reason was last /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ben

Tom_H · Aug 10, 2005

Re: New \"Daylight Savings Time\"

( Here is the reasoning behind DST (history) :

Congressional Findings; Expansion of Daylight Saving Time Section 2(a) of Pub. L. 99-359 provided that: "The Congress finds -

1. "that various studies of governmental and nongovernmental agencies indicate that daylight saving time over an expanded period would produce a significant energy savings in electrical power consumption;

2. "that daylight saving time may yield energy savings in other areas besides electrical power consumption;

3. "that daylight saving time over an expanded period could serve as an incentive for further energy conservation by individuals, companies, and the various governmental entities at all levels of government, and that such energy conservation efforts could lead to greatly expanded energy savings;

4. "that the use of daylight saving time over an expanded period could have other beneficial effects on the public interest, including the reduction of crime, improved traffic safety, more daylight outdoor playtime for the children and youth of our Nation, greater utilization of parks and recreation areas, expanded economic opportunity through extension of daylight hours to peak shopping hours and through extension of domestic office hours to periods of greater overlap with the European Economic Community ."
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See, our tax money gets spent for bureaucrats who have nothing else to do, to spend hours sitting around dreaming up such imaginary theories.

SnowRidge · Aug 10, 2005

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 See, our tax money gets spent for bureaucrats who have nothing else to do, to spend hours sitting around dreaming up such imaginary theories. 

Please don't mix up bureaucrats with congressional staffers, who no doubt authored all those "may" and "could" statements. The original governmental agency report that this garbage refers to is obsolete, and its use as a current day model has been repudiated by its principal author.

Highbeam · Aug 10, 2005

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( During the winter months, there is only about 9.5-10.5 hours total of daylight each day.
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"People in Texas have more daylight than the people in Maine, and the people in Maine have more daylight than the people in Alaska. The total hours of daylight in any one day depend on the closeness to the equator and the earths rotation in relationship to the sun."

I thought while visiting Hawaii in January, how nice it would be to live where it was daylight from 6 to 6. They have much more light. Turns out that everyone, everywhere has the same total time per year between sunrise and sunset. We just "lose" the light in the winter to be returned in the summer. Here in the NW it is still dusky after 10:00 at night during the summer and dark at 4:30 in the winter.

Who cares if it is light before sunrise?

edski · Aug 16, 2005

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Remember when Nixon pushed DST into the winter?
Think it was in '74 or '75.
I had a lengthy walk through the woods to the bus stop for school.
About half way there was a sharp left over a 40-50 ft drop into a gully. It was so dark that I missed the turn and found myself hanging from a sapling cussing Nixon.

So what do the bow hunters think of this?
Sounds like an extra hr of hunting to me.

DaveNay · Aug 16, 2005

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( So what do the bow hunters think of this?
Sounds like an extra hr of hunting to me. )

Not to pick on you directly edski, but...this is what really irritates me about almost every discussion regarding DST. THERE IS NO NEWLY CREATED DAYLIGHT! There are still the same number of minutes of sun above the horizon, no matter what kind of arbitraty method of calculating time or shifting that calculated time. It don't make a hill of beans for a hunter what time it is...the hunting laws (all that I have seen) are written along the lines of "1/2 hour before sunrise.....to 1/2 hour after sunset". If someone is complaining that it has been light for 2 hours when they get up in the morning, the solution isn't to move the clock by two hours, the solution is to GET UP EARLIER! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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Dave

Highbeam · Aug 16, 2005

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Agreed. You don't lose or gain anything.

BamaRob · Aug 16, 2005

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You're absolutely right that changing a clock on the wall will not have any effect on how many hours/minutes/seconds of daylight there is in a day. However, to Edski's point, consider those of us who like to sneak out for an afternoon hunt after work. If I take off work at lunch and it's dark at 4:30, I don't have much time for a hunt. But, if I take off work at lunch and it's dark at 5:30, I may have time to get in a quick hunt.

BR

Varmintmist · Aug 16, 2005

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( ( So what do the bow hunters think of this?
Sounds like an extra hr of hunting to me. )

Not to pick on you directly edski, but...this is what really irritates me about almost every discussion regarding DST. THERE IS NO NEWLY CREATED DAYLIGHT! There are still the same number of minutes of sun above the horizon, no matter what kind of arbitraty method of calculating time or shifting that calculated time. It don't make a hill of beans for a hunter what time it is...the hunting laws (all that I have seen) are written along the lines of "1/2 hour before sunrise.....to 1/2 hour after sunset". If someone is complaining that it has been light for 2 hours when they get up in the morning, the solution isn't to move the clock by two hours, the solution is to GET UP EARLIER! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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Dave )

WRONG oh clock faced one /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If I get home when Mickeys hand says 4:45-5:00 regular time I cant get into the woods and in stand by dark. I can get there if I get home at 4:45-5:00 DST /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif If you are talking saturday or unemployed then DST makes no difference.

As to DST, I am all for it. I think we should go 365 days at DST. Contrary to some opinion I do stuff outside in the winter. A hour after work with a little sunlight would be great. I get up in the dark anyway, the kids are in the dark anyway, so why not put a little light at the end of the work day??