New GM Trucks

[sld]

Could we finally get past the same stories of copilots, neighbors, brother in laws, etc. anti GM stories and finally put to rest?

I don't know, just a thought, but maybe we could move on to something new rather than the same anti-GM stories regurgitated over & over for the hundredth or maybe even thousandth time?

Gettin kinda old......

A little ironic isn't builder? Just about every one of your meaningless posts have something negative about something. They have been regurgitated so much the buzzards shy away.

At least DP is relating real world experience about inferior products.

 

[timswi]

A little ironic isn't builder? Just about every one of your meaningless posts have something negative about something. They have been regurgitated so much the buzzards shy away.

At least DP is relating real world experience about inferior products.

Personally, I wouldn't call GM products inferior...Who were you calling negative again?

 

[sld]

Personaaly, I wouldn't call GM products inferior...Who were you calling negative again?

Point well taken. Let me rephrase that.

At least DP is relating his real world experience about other products.

My bad.

 

[timswi]

Point well taken. Let me rephrase that.

At least DP is relating his real world experience about other products.

My bad.

It's all good sld....DP does completely loathe all things GM..Sometimes the comments can go a little over the top. I can take it though. My experiences are nothing like the ones that he describes.

 

[Diamondpilot]

It's all good sld....DP does completely loathe all things GM..Sometimes the comments can go a little over the top. I can take it though. My experiences are nothing like the ones that he describes.

I would not say that is true. I have owned many GM products and did so up till just last May. I just will not own any more.


Something you said earlier struck me funny. You said I seem to know of all the vehicles with issues and you had never seen any of them but did have other issues. I just sat here and added up the vehicles I have owned and I came up with 23 off the top of my head, there were probably more. I have never replaced any gaskets, not even a valve cover gasket, and only 1 water pump ever. That was on a 1986 Ford with about 35,000 miles. I have had to have 2 clutches replaced. Ford and Toyota. That's it other than the other issues I have told you about, transfer case, 2 trannys, broken drive shaft, blown motor, ect. These major issues were on 3 vehicles and unfortunate they were on 2 GM's and one Dodge.

I have owned 2 GM trucks and 2 GM cars. Both trucks were nothing but issues while both cars were great going basically trouble free for well over 130,000 miles each.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

Not so long ago a fellow who works in the oil fields of Western Canada where the P/u is the main transportation, haul and tow mode for daily work told me;
The Fords come in with limping transmissions. The Dodges and Chevy/GM come in with front end trouble and Dodges are the most popular by far for the choice of truck.

Many of these trucks will be left running all day, rarely see paved roads and may consistently be overloaded whether hauling or towing.:thumbsup:

Second hand hearsay and can't verify any of it!

I really like the styling of the Chrysler products but they seem to be made with cheaper components, switches ect, and I can tell you for a fact they rust quicker than other brands around here. You will not find a 2005 or older Dodge truck without rust in my area along the door bottoms and tailgate while the Fords and GM's do much better. Look at a 10 year old Dodge and the front fenders are shot, the wheel wells are rotted out, the door bottoms are ate up, and the tail gates are gone. Just dont see that with GM and Ford trucks. Maybe a little cab corner rust on the GM and some door rust on the Fords but 20 times less than the Dodges.



I also really like the Hemi, just not in trucks. Its one of the most fun engines to sit behind in a car. Challenger in my garage may be my next big purchase.

Chris

 

[Builder]

A little ironic isn't builder? Just about every one of your meaningless posts have something negative about something. They have been regurgitated so much the buzzards shy away.

At least DP is relating real world experience about inferior products.

Inferior? I think not.
Negative? I'm not negative, but I will not sit here and watch others type untruths & distortions without some reprisal.
"Meaningless"? The guys here that own GM trucks worked hard for them and I believe did their homework intelligently when they comparison shopped. I'd call it making this forum "fair & balanced", rather than viewing life through blue oval foster & grants......

 

[timswi]

I would not say that is true. I have owned many GM products and did so up till just last May. I just will not own any more.


Something you said earlier struck me funny. You said I seem to know of all the vehicles with issues and you had never seen any of them but did have other issues. I just sat here and added up the vehicles I have owned and I came up with 23 off the top of my head, there were probably more. I have never replaced any gaskets, not even a valve cover gasket, and only 1 water pump ever. That was on a 1986 Ford with about 35,000 miles. I have had to have 2 clutches replaced. Ford and Toyota. That's it other than the other issues I have told you about, transfer case, 2 trannys, broken drive shaft, blown motor, ect. These major issues were on 3 vehicles and unfortunate they were on 2 GM's and one Dodge.

I have owned 2 GM trucks and 2 GM cars. Both trucks were nothing but issues while both cars were great going basically trouble free for well over 130,000 miles each.

Chris

Chris,

From reading between the lines, it seems that we are similar ages. I have owned much more than 23 vehicles over my driving time...I'm a classic car guy, and when I was referring to gaskets, I was referring to cars out of the 60's and early 70's..All GM...No shame to any of that on cars that old. I used to buy and resotore 2-3 cars a year before my daughter was born..Drive some of them for a few months and sell...Some of them I kept. One of them is a 70 SS396 that I bought in 1985 at age 18. That one has needed a few gaskets and such over the years...Part of the hobby. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a flat out liar.

All of the GM's I've had in my contemporary time have been trouble free. Beyond standard 200k repairs, which were minor..Again, no shame there.

Honestly I know more people who have had more problems with your brand than mine..Just no point in bringing it up. Who benefits from that?

We can be informative without being caustic.

Dodges, Fords and GM's all have their fans and changing anyones mind is pretty much futile until they have a horrible experience, whick you state that you had. I understand that and don't fault you for felling that way. But what I can say from my time in dealer service is that EVERY manufacturer produces a lemon from time to time. I don't care who they are. We had $40K cars coming in on the flatbed almost every day. Some high end , some not. But this was from manufacturers that still have a religous following for dependability. Much of it deserved, some of it just hype and some of it just loyal following. When something bad happened, the customers chalked it up to a fluke, which most times it was not. Domestics don't get that benefit of the doubt. Much of it self imposed in the 70's and early 80's. But Every domestic has improved exponentially since 1986....I have been watching closely since then and have owned tons of them.

I usually bought cars and trucks with 100K and drove them to 150K and sold them for what I paid for them. I wouldn't have stuck with GM if GM vehicles would have stuck me..They never did. I don't have to do that anymore...But that was my purchace option due to finances up until about 4 years ago.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Yes, I am guessing we are about the same age. Big difference in buy habits though. The oldest vehicle I have owned was a 1985 1/2, remember when Ford did that? It was my first, a Ford Escort that was 1.5 years old and 30,000 miles. I have only bought 7 used vehicles in my life. We just drove too many miles per year, as many as 40,000 miles, to take the chance on used ones. We keep them until 100,000 to 140,000 miles and trade them off. By the way, the 4 GM's I have owned were a 1989, 1996, 2005, and 2006. So they were fairly modern. The 96 and the 06 were cars and trouble free other than like you say little items like ball joints, a new horn, a transmission neutral switch, trunk locks, ect. Motors and trannys were rock solid other than using oil. The 89 and 05 were trucks and that did not go well at all.

Chris

 

[Builder]

I've had well over 50 vehicles, not nearly as many as some guys here , but still a lot. The most trouble free car I ever owned was my Camaro SS396. I hot rodded the crap out of it, kept it for 5 years and then sold it for more than I paid for it. I think we could all only hope to get that from every vehicle.
Through the mid 80's and all through the 90's and early 2000's, I had several employees in my carpentry framing business . We ran at least 15 F-250 & 350's gas and diesel trucks. Looking back, they cost too much in repairs and too many parts wore out prematurely, but I still really liked Ford trucks.
About 5 years ago, it was one of my employees that actually got me to consider trying GM. He had a 2500HD Dmax/Ally he would plow snow with and tow his boat. When he got up to 230,000 miles on original motor & trans, I was impressed and convinced. I couldn't get a Ford to go 150K without at least 1 or 2 replaced transmissions, 4 sets of ball joints, steering boxes, etc.....
I'm still hanging on to a '89 F-150 for a spare truck. I still think Ford builds a stronger chassis truck than GM or Dodge, but that's about where it ends. They change their engines & drivetrains too much for my liking compared to GM & Dodge.

I disagree with the premise that trucks of the past were "pretty much the same". I think they have pretty bold differences, but recently they are heading more towards being more alike than different.
Most have comparable tow ratings, GVWR's, ex brakes, gradient brake transmissions, etc.